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In this episode of The Real Estate Investing Podcast, Derek B. dives deep into the real-life grind of land investing, offering invaluable insights and advice for aspiring entrepreneurs and land investors.
He breaks down the realities of the business—it's not all quick wins and easy flips.
Derek emphasizes the importance of resilience, especially when faced with challenges like hate calls, data scrubbing, and the unpredictable nature of the market.
His experience in bartending and other businesses highlights the hard work required to build a sustainable company, revealing that success in land investing is about consistent effort over time, not instant riches.
If you're an analytical thinker hesitant to take the leap into entrepreneurship, Adam’s story will inspire you to get out of your own way. He dives deep into how his mindset shifted, how he learned to reject bad deals, and why focusing on consistent action transformed his results.
Whether you’re new to land investing or a seasoned pro, this episode is packed with insights on making your marketing more efficient, leveraging community support, and staying focused on growth.
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Ron A.: Everybody welcome back to the real estate investing podcast. I’m your host Ron Apke joined today by Derek Bourgeois. Um, Derek’s been with us. Uh, he’s been in the community for about 14 months or so. Derek, welcome to the show.
Darrick B.: Thanks man.
Ron A.: I’m excited to get into your story I know you’ve, uh, you’ve been very active in the community.
I think have you, you know, I don’t know. Sometimes I, sometimes I have you, has your activity like in the zooms and stuff slowed down over the last few months? Or I feel like I was seeing your name all over the place. Um, when you first started, I don’t know if you just got busy with the business or something.
Has that slowed down a little bit in terms of that? Or you feel like you got it now?
Darrick B.: Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely slowed down. I think there was a time there, like, obviously I came out of the gates, hot, wanting to learn as much as you can. And then once you learn that you really want to, I mean, you want to put it to use.
And so that’s a lot of what I did. I just kind of dove into my process and starting to set everything up and Like I connected with a lot of people in the group and started just kind of like going right to them when I had questions and stuff. And so, um, yeah, so I, I wasn’t, it was just easier to like, go get the answer from the one person I knew had the answer rather than like jumping in the discord or jumping on the zooms and waiting for questions to be answered.
So, um, yeah, I mean, once you kind of get your like team of people that you have, uh, which has been great. I mean, the community is absolutely great. Uh, you kind of like, I stick a lot with them because. It’s so much quicker. You know,
Ron A.: I feel like it’s like the first, the first, like two months, like you’re asking questions.
And then the next two months, you’re like, I know these answers. Now I want to help these people who just started. And then like people get quiet, which is very normal. I like the cycle a lot. Um, well, you’re a bartender. We talked a little bit off camera before this, you’re a bartender who got into land investing, still bartending.
Um, talk about how you found this business model. You said you’ve been an entrepreneur your whole life though.
Darrick B.: Yeah, um, funny story. So, uh, I started a record label when I was 19, um, back in Seattle. So that’s where I’m from. Um, and then to fund that, I was like, I need to do something. And so I kind of got into the service industry right when I turned 21.
I started bartending. Found that that was like, it’s such a great way to make easy, quick money. Um, that I, I got into that and that helped fund that business. Um, and then that obviously had a life cycle. I ended up selling that 12 years later. Um, and a portion of that, like near the end of my record label, I started getting into real estate.
Um, like buy and hold rentals, rehab rentals, that sort of stuff. Uh, and kind of got that real estate bug and I made money at it and I was like, oh, that is something that I wanna do long term.
Hmm.
Darrick B.: And then. Uh, got into the fitness industry. I got bitten by the CrossFit bug. My wife and I did that. Um, we owned two CrossFit gyms, large CrossFit gyms in Seattle.
Um, we did that for a little bit over 10 years, 10, 11 years. There was a COVID year in there, so did we count that? You know, we had to, we had to shift the business. And that’s when we decided to sell as well and, and move on from that. And, uh, I just, there was always this idea of like, once my gyms made it big, I was going to get back into real estate.
Um, but obviously life had different plans. We decided, um, we were, after we sold our gyms, we were like, let’s do something else. So we actually got under contract to buy a Christmas tree farm, a 23 acre Christmas tree farm in Washington. Um, we did that for a year. We, we worked on the farm for a year to kind of learn the processes and all that fun stuff, turn that business around from what it was.
And then, Uh, that deal fell through after having it under contract for a year, uh, and turning their business around, which was like a gut punch. Um, my wife and I decided at that point, like there was nothing much left for us in Washington. We kind of had this bad taste in our mouth from a lot of different things.
And so we decided to up and move to Tennessee. We sold everything, sold the gyms, sold our house, everything, moved across the country, Tennessee. And I was like, well, I’m going to get into real estate. Cause that’s what I knew. Um, obviously to like pay our bills and stuff, I went back and I got involved in bartending again.
Cause I was like, that’s going to be easy money. I’m good at it. Um, so I fell in with a really great restaurant in Nashville, started doing that really love that business. Like, you know, customer service is kind of my jam and I’m, I’m, it just turns out that I’m really. A good bartender. So that, that made a lot of sense.
I make good money doing it. Um, and it opens up my days. And I got into real retail, real estate. Obviously I got my real estate license, I’m gonna go sell homes. And um, the problem was that I was giving up my nights with my family and then I was giving up weekends for real estate. And so I was like not able to see my family, so I was like, I need to find that thing.
That allows me to, you know, free up my time with my family, eventually be able to do this from anywhere, right? Something that I love, which is real estate as well. Um, and which is how I found you guys. I mean, I think I looked at every land investing business online. I watched all your videos. I watched, you know, the, uh, the dirt, the cheap dirt guy.
I forget what his, I forget. I, I mean, I went through all of ’em. We had a call, I think at some point, and your business model just made the most sense to me, like, secure the property. That way you maximize the leverage. Um, and I didn’t want to sell desert squares that seemed ridiculous and kind of scammy and I was like, it just felt weird.
Um, it felt like penny stocks for land, you know, and so I was like, not into that. Um, and also anything that my wife and I ever dream about doing, she’s here in the office. That’s why I keep pointing. Um, anything that, uh, we dream about doing involved land, right? Like when we first moved to Tennessee, we’re like, we’re going to get a house and we’re going to get it on land and all that stuff.
Um, Obviously we had a Christmas tree farm and we still have this dream of like having this Christmas tree farm down the road. And so I was like, I don’t, I don’t know anything about land. I was like, I’d love to get into that land space, become a land specialist, um, learn as much as I can about land. And when I found you guys, it just, everything there made sense to me about learning, learning this process of buying and selling land.
Um, and it seemed like that would be the best way to go. And so I jumped in last, last year. Two years, a year and a 14 months ago, just over a year, year ago. Um, it started, you know, learning the process and all that fun stuff. So that’s how I got into it. Wow. And, uh, great. Uh, that’s a heck of a journey.
Ron A.: I, I love it.
And, uh, it seems very natural, like you getting into land, like it seems like it’s right for you. Like this business model makes sense to you, like you said. Um, and it fits you, fit, fits your mission, fits your. Schedule too, which is important. Like you said, like, you don’t want to be away from your family seven days a week.
Like you’re away at night right now with bartending. Um, but, um, was there like a proof of concept moment that maybe it was before you did a marketing, you talked to someone who was like doing really well. Was there a proof of concept moment for you? Cause for a lot of people, it’s. Um, kind of abstract the business model that we do, and it doesn’t make sense.
And you can try to tell them a hundred times and they still say it doesn’t make sense. Was there that moment that like, okay, this can work. Um, I can see it.
Darrick B.: Yeah, that’s a good question. I think going through so many different businesses, I’ve also had like eBay flip businesses. I did that for a while. Um, and so I think that’s, I think that was a little bit of my proof of concept.
Like that really felt, it felt the same, right? It’s just more zeros and it’s different. It’s a different product to me. Um, you know, you, you make your money on the buy side and the sell side. The business model to me made sense from the beginning because of what I’ve done in the past. Um, and I just, it’s just, it’s a lot like any other business.
Like you just have to do it for a while to become really good at it. Right. Like, I mean, My first seven years of running a gym were terrible. We didn’t make any money. Like it was like a grind, you know, we start, we finally started making money year seven, which was like, finally, right? Like that took me seven years.
Same thing with the, the, um, the record label was also a grind and, you know, it took a long time to make money at that thing. I actually don’t even know if it ever did. If you talk to my accountant, he’d be like, yeah, you know, you lost money every year on that thing. Um, so I just, you know, and, but I saw a lot of people who stuck with that business, with the record label, with gyms, with other things where I’m like, Oh yeah, I get that.
Like you do anything long enough, you’re going to get good at it and you’re not going to be good at it at the beginning. Um, and so I didn’t have any like. I didn’t have like big ideas of grandeur getting into this business that I was going to make a million a year. Of course, that’s what you always want.
You want that, you know, giant payday right off the bat. But I also didn’t have any ideas of grandeur that this was going to be any different than any other business that I had. Um, I will say I was profitable at this business quicker than any other business I’ve started, right? I was able to make profit right away, get money in the bank, start paying myself.
Um, and so that is, that, that’s been a huge, a huge game changer for me in this business, which is good. That’s
Ron A.: exciting. So you first got into it, uh, last October, 14 months. Um, what did your education process look like after you got into it? Your education to when you first like started like marketing, targeting, uh, pieces of land, what, what did that kind of process look like for you?
Darrick B.: Yeah, I mean, it was just, it was all YouTube videos. It was you guys jumping on as many calls as I could watching. Like, I think I was on probably two months straight of your live calls of people buying. And we like you guys looking at the properties for us, like live, like looking at how that works, like that whole process of looking at a property, finding what’s good about properties, what’s bad about properties, which properties you want to avoid.
Um, and so just diving down the rabbit hole of, of that, of, of trying to figure out what properties are good and what properties are bad.
You know
Darrick B.: that, because for me, I didn’t want, I couldn’t, I couldn’t afford to have bad deals. Right. I was like, I can’t afford to like get a deal where I lose money. Um, I, I did sell a house in my retail business and I took that money and put that into this directly.
And so that was like my seed money and that’s what I was gonna give it. I was like, y’all got, you know, I think it was like 15 K and if I’m, if I’m outta that 15 K and I haven’t made any money, this business is done moving on to the next thing. Um, so yeah.
Ron A.: That’s cool. And a lot of people, I think that’s. I think that’s the most successful people who like put money towards it like this is what I’m gonna make I’m gonna make it work with this money and like it’s not like every 2, 000 if they send a mailer that doesn’t work They’re not freaking out and not quitting before that.
Like I’m gonna put I 15, 000. I’m gonna put into it And and if the business works, I’m gonna make it work with that money So going there, how when did you send your first marketing? Do you know?
Darrick B.: Let’s see, it was probably near the end of October. So I got three deals in my first four mailers.
Ron A.: Oh, wow.
Darrick B.: Um, so I sent out a mailer to Tennessee because that’s where I live.
Um, I sent out a deal. My first mail was actually to Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Georgia, and I think Kentucky. Kentucky I didn’t get any deal from, um, but. Lots of calls, but no deals. Um, but my first three deals were Oklahoma, Georgia, and Tennessee were my first three deals out of my first four mailers.
And, uh, yeah, that was how much
Ron A.: marketing, how much marketing are you sending per month?
Darrick B.: So now once I got those first three deals, that was all my 15, 000. Cause I actually bought one with my own money as well. So I spent You know, probably four grand in mailers. I had like 11 left. I was like, I’m buying my Oklahoma deal.
I bought it for 8, 000 cause I had the money. Um, I wanted to see what it felt like to do a deal by myself with not an investor. Um, so I sold that one for, let’s see, I have that here for 12. So I bought it for eight, sold for 12, not a huge profit. Um, But it was like one of those points where I was like out of money, right?
So I’m like just looking for anything and I was like, I bought them all in November. No, I had nothing in December, like no calls, no people like wanting to buy. And then the first two weeks of January, I sold all three of those deals, which I realized I’m like, okay, no one’s nobody buys property in December because of the holidays.
And I’m like, this is the worst time. Um, but luckily I sold all three of those deals in the first two weeks of January. Got them under contract, I should say.
Ron A.: So what did that, what did those three net you as far as, uh, I know you said you had investors, you paid for one yourself. What did those three buy?
Let’s just talk, buy and sell instead of netting. Uh, what did those, you said you had an eight and 12, what did the other two look like? Eight, 12,
Darrick B.: uh, 14. The Georgia one was buy for 14, sell for 40. Wow. And then my Tennessee was a buy for 60, sell for one 16.
Ron A.: It’s not bad , so Yeah, that’s not, so there, there’s your proof of concept.
There’s some money in your pocket. So you sold all, I mean, let’s say by the end of February, you, all of a sudden you went from. Having the 15, 000 and that was probably pushing 50, 000 at that point, right?
Darrick B.: Correct. Yeah. It was somewhere between 45 and
Ron A.: 50, 000. Okay. Nice. And I don’t know if we ever answered the question, how much marketing were you sending out at this point?
Like the first five, six months of your business about?
Darrick B.: So, I mean, I did those first mailers and I was out of money, so I didn’t do anything until I got that money back in my bank account. Cause I was like, uh, yeah, that was, that was it. Like, I remember calling, Um, Oh my gosh, who’s the, who’s the, the, you guys, you guys have a guy who calls people on her.
Anthony. Thank you. Anthony. Yeah. I love Anthony. He would call me like on a regular basis and be like, how’s everything going? And I’m like, well, I’m stalling the money and I’m waiting for these deals to sell. And, uh, you know, he took a look at the, um, the listings and stuff and, you know, we made some tweaks and stuff and price changes, uh, but it was great.
And then after that, I was like, I kind of, I kind of looked at my numbers and I was like, all right, so I’m getting, you know, one deal per, you know, month. about 2, 500 mailers or so. So that, that year I was like, all right, I’m going to, I’m sending out 30, 000 mailers before my birthday, which is in June. Um, and so I was like, that, that was my goal.
After that was just, I mean, this whole business is for me is volume, right? Like get mail out. Like if the mail’s not going out, you’re not getting deals. If you’re not getting deals, things aren’t happening. Yeah. So my whole thing was figure out a way to get 30, 000 mailers out. I had the money for it then.
And so I just started sending out, you know, four to 5, 000 mailers a month at that point to get to my 30, 000 before the end of June.
Ron A.: And that started in February.
Darrick B.: That started in February. Yep.
Ron A.: So, let’s back up a little bit because, um, I would not advise you to buy that and go out all of your marketing money.
Would you, going back, um, is that something like, oh crap, I probably shouldn’t, because you probably wouldn’t have been able to get funding, buy for 8, sell for 12. Like, do you regret, like, not trying to negotiate down and then buy, get an investor or something? Like, going back, is that something you would have done, which stalled your marketing for two months?
Darrick B.: Oh, yeah. I would never do that again. I would 100%. I probably would have passed on that deal altogether just because there was never going to be enough meat on the bones for that one. So I probably would have passed on that deal altogether and just gone in with investors. And that, I mean, that’s, that became my, my thing is like, just get mail out.
And if you don’t have the money for the deals, just get an investor for the deals. Just make sure you’re getting good enough deals to where an investor will want, you know? And I think that’s slowed. I, I did do in this last year, I did do a double close, but at the same time, like it slowed down a little bit of my, um, my ability to get deals because now I need to have enough meat on the bone for an investor to be like, it’s worth it.
You know?
Ron A.: Yeah.
Darrick B.: So, um, you know, and eventually I’ll get to the point where I’m doing all my own deals, but at this point it’s just mail, get the mail at the door, get the deals, get the good deals that an investor would be like, let’s do it. And, you know, get as much under contract as possible.
Ron A.: I mean, talk about your mindset around this time.
Like buy for 14, sell for 40 is not like that. That’s an amazing deal. Buy for, what’d you say? 60 sell for? One 30. One 16. One 16. Buy for 60, sell for one 16. Like that’s a awesome deal. Like how, how’d that feel? Like just, just keep on going? Is that what your mindset or is it like, okay, wow, I just got a really big check and I had no money outta my pocket.
Um, was there like a realization moment?
Darrick B.: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that was the realization of just get the mail out the door and get more of these deals, right? These are the deals that you want. You want these, you know, the, the deals that you can buy and, you know, three X, at least two X, if not three X, the money.
Um, those that’s, that’s going to have to be the business model until I can get You know, I can get the deals where it’s, you know, a buy for 30 sell for 50, where an investor wouldn’t necessarily look at that and be like, the money’s good enough, but then I could do it on my own. I’m not there yet. Right.
I’m going to have to just continue to mail, get the deals that are really good where an investor will come alongside me, which is also nice. Honestly, having that extra set of eyes, you know, from an experienced investor who can go, this is a great deal. I’ll absolutely invest in it. Um, so I think that was a big deal as well of, you know, You know, that was that there’s a benefit to having investors involved in the process as well.
So I love that.
Ron A.: Absolutely. That’s a, that’s a really good point. Um, so did you get those 33 mailers out, 30, 000 mailers out before your birthday? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the result of those? Let’s talk about those a little bit.
Darrick B.: Yep. So those were, um, I got those 30, 000 mailers out and I really started kind of pushing into areas.
So in the group, I was still seeing a lot of people mailing the Southeast, right? You get, you know, for whatever reason, the land is a little bit flatter here. There’s not as much wetlands, whatever the case is. That was really a hotbed. So I was like, I’m going to not mail the Southeast. I’m going to start moving into some different areas.
So I really got into more Midwest, um, Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, Wisconsin. Um, Um, I started mailing those areas a little bit more and I mean, cause I, I think I did three mailers right away that I had ready to go because obviously when I’m not sending out mail, I’m like, well, I can at least get these counties ready.
I can buffer the list. I can’t pay for the mail yet. So I had three mailers ready to go all in the Southeast. Got those out the door right away. Didn’t get any deals from them. And I’m like, It was one of those things where you’re like, oh, and then I go back and sure enough, listen to some podcasts. And even you guys say like, you’re going to have those, you’re going to have those streaks where you’re going to send out mail.
And then you’re going to have a mailer where you’re going to get three deals, you know? And sure enough, my first mailer in Minnesota, I got a ton of calls. I got two good deals in Minnesota off that one mailer. And so I started mailing, I think I mailed two other counties that were like side by side to it where the numbers worked in Minnesota.
It was a good time. Obviously summertime in Minnesota is beautiful. You know, you can get good pictures, you know, northern, northern hemisphere stuff. So this was like, it was great. And it seemed like I was getting a lot of traction in the Midwest, um, in the spring and summer. And so. Yeah, that was, that was kind of my game plan at that point.
Um, and now, you know, I’m sitting on, like I said, I have six more properties under contract. I’ve, I’ve sold two other ones since the three that I originally sold. Um, and I have six more to go, but I’m still in the process of selling. So,
Ron A.: so five deals, full cycle in your first, let’s just say first year, essentially, because you have others that are already getting close to being full cycle, um, five deals and what, what did those numbers look like on those five deals as far as total profit.
Darrick B.: Yeah, so, uh, one of the ones in Minnesota was a buy for 67. I sold for one 10. Um, and then one in Ohio was a buy for 30 sell for 70, um, which was a double close, which was great.
Ron A.: Mm-hmm . Awesome. That’s really, so yeah, you’ve had a looking back at this and we talked a little bit off camera, looking back at, uh, 2024 and you have six more.
I don’t, do you know, expected profit on those six that you have that you’re selling?
Darrick B.: That’s a good question. I have my board behind me. Look here. Uh, I have my estimated profit on some of them. So, um Most of them are in that like 20 to 40, 000 range. And then some of them, I do have one in Wisconsin. We just found out was on a, uh, this is a funny story.
It happened to be a dump site that we didn’t know. It wasn’t listed anywhere. We get a per test down. He’s like, we’re finding Pieces of cars. And so that one went down to a 10 K profit, but, uh, most of them are in that like 20 to 40, 000 range profit wise.
Ron A.: Yeah. So another a hundred, a hundred, 20, a hundred 50, somewhere around there.
Um, awesome. So, yeah, I mean, going back to that question, like, would you view 2024 success in your land flipping business? Did you have higher expectations? What, what are you looking back at this year? And we’re getting close to the end of the year. Like, how would you kind of look back and like, uh, assess it?
Darrick B.: Yeah. So, I mean, I’m going to, if I, you know, I’m Everybody has dreams. I got big dreams. Obviously, I want to be done bartending so I can, you know, see my family at nighttime as well. Um, and that was like a big goal this year was to, uh, get out of bartending. It didn’t happen, um, which is fine. And so I have, the way I, the way I have my business set up, my idea was, uh, I used to get into big problems running businesses about growing too quickly.
Um, I expanded really quickly in my gyms. I had two locations, two and a half locations, 400 members grew really quickly. And like I said, that was a big issue. As soon as we reduced my business size, I started making money. So when I got into this business, the whole thing was. Don’t get too big too quick, right?
Um, so this mentality of not trying to get in over my head too far um, not going into debt all that fun stuff, so Um, i’ve done that right? I’ve i’ve grown slow. I’ve learned a ton. I think that was huge for me this year I did start paying myself. So for every 50, 000, excuse me, 50, 000 dollars I get in my bank account I take a thousand dollar paycheck a month.
So I hit that 50, 000 mark. I started taking my thousand dollars a month to start, like, helping out paying bills and all that fun stuff, which is great. Um, when I hit that 100, 000 mark, I’ll start taking 2, 000. When I hit that 150, 000, I’ll start taking 3, 000. Um, so the goal is to get to, uh, you know, 200, 000 to 250, 000 in cash in the bank, um, before I quit bartending.
So that’s kind of the goal, um, in this next year. So I didn’t hit that this year, but that’s going to be the goal for next year. Um, I will probably be dropping a shift at the bar. So right now I work four days a week. I’m probably going to go down to three. Um, if my managers are watching this, it’s coming down the pipe.
Um, And so, uh, yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s, you know, reducing, I’ll be easing my way out of bartending rather than just quitting altogether. Um, which is great, you know, with the, also with the incoming president where he says, you’re not going to, they’re not going to tax tips anymore. It’s going to make it a little bit harder to quit now that I’m making an extra 30 percent in my, my paycheck every month.
But, uh, yeah, that’ll be, that’ll be interesting. So that’s a big deal for
Ron A.: sure.
Darrick B.: Yep. Yeah. The goal this year will be quit bartending.
Ron A.: Okay. So looking at 2025, is there anything, so one thing that I’ve noticed just talking to you for these 20 minutes is you’re very like, okay, how Ron and Dan teach it, like, this is what I’m doing.
And he’s just been like male, male, um, consistency. Um, is there anything that you’re doing different in your business or that you plan on doing different in your business? That might not be exactly, cause that’s this, you’re at the point where like, okay, now we can try a little bit of a niche here or there, whatever it is.
What are your thoughts on that? Or do you have any plans for anything else?
Darrick B.: Yeah, absolutely. So, um, Obviously, so I’ve started looking into, December’s a slow month, so I’m like, I’m using December as my education month, um, so I’m really diving into looking into text messaging, so that seems to be a big, you guys are pushing that a lot, so I’m doing some research on text messaging.
Um, I also was on the cusp of getting a subdivide deal in Vermont that kind of fell through. Somebody else came in and made an offer and they decided to go with that one instead of ours. Um, but that kind of like started scratching that itch for larger parcels. Um, so what I’ve actually done the last, I don’t know, three weeks was I downloaded some data from a county here locally in Tennessee, and I just pulled 20 acres all the way up and Went through after I scrubbed the list, ended up with about 250 parcels.
So I actually went through every single parcel and like looked at it, deleted all the ones that I was never going to buy, right. The ones that have slope or too many, too much wetlands, all that fun stuff. Um, and so I’m going to get, I’m going to send out a mailer. That’s like much more targeted to subdivide, like a land, like land that specifically flat, square, great, great for a subdivide and pricing a little bit higher.
Um, knowing that I’m going to break off parcels and sell them for a higher amount. So, um, yeah, so I’m looking at doing that. And then I have a buddy who’s really, and we did this also when I owned the gym was a pay for pay per click, um, marketing, like, uh, sell us your land, seeing if I can get leads through a pay per click, um, type of business model as well.
And he thinks he can help me out with that. So something along those lines might also be happening in 2025. We’ll see how that goes, but texting probably for sure at some point. I don’t know what that’s going to look like. I don’t know if it’s going to be like cold texts or if it’s going to be, um, follow up texts.
I feel like I’m probably going to start with follow up texts where they’re going to get the mail and then they’re going to follow up with a text message connecting the dots, um, and see how that goes. So I’ll be trying out some things, um, next year for sure.
Ron A.: Nice little disclaimer for people work, uh, listening with a paper clicks.
I was talking to someone and I’ve never done it for land. Um, but he said about 80 percent of the leads that he got were like high, high, high level scammers. Like not like minimal scammers, like fake deeds. Um, like they’re trying to get, um, so just, this is purely a disclaimer for people listening. Like paperclip is going to have high scan.
I’m sure it’s with wholesaling and everything like that as well. Um, and I’m sure you’re, I don’t know if Derek, are you, have you seen those? Or are you aware of those? Or has he talked about that at all?
Darrick B.: Yeah, I mean, I just in the last like probably since this past summer as I was getting calls I started hearing top people talk a lot about scams and I was like, oh, it’s so interesting I don’t understand how you would scam.
I don’t have the mind of a criminal So I don’t understand how somebody would scam somebody with land like there’s so many things in place, right? like deeds and title companies and checking IDs and and you know All the things that are involved with buying and selling land. I don’t understand how people are scamming.
Um, it feels like there’s enough, uh, things in place. To where I don’t, you know, I don’t know what that looks like, but it’ll be interesting to kind of go down that road and find out how people are scamming. So I can avoid those things when it comes to pay per click, but
Ron A.: title companies have definitely locked down on, like, they are trying to prevent like title companies have really, um, increased their, like, Getting more, uh, wet signatures.
Like there’s a lot more, uh, even banks, like banks releasing wires have become more difficult. They’re always calling you and trying to confirm everything. And how do you know this person? Why are you sending them wire? Uh, so there’s definitely more things in place, I think from that aspect. And it sucks.
Like someone getting like, I’ve heard of. Big, big multi, six figure scam, like people getting scammed on things. And like from even posing as investors and there’s a lot within any community, within anything, like you’re going to see it, especially with, like, I think it’s easier than ever for people to attempt to scam people, but, um, what would be your advice for someone, Derek, looking to get into this business?
Like, do you, do you think this business, like any type of personality can be successful in this business? Or what, what, what’s kind of your advice for someone looking to get in?
Darrick B.: That’s a good, that is actually a really great question. ’cause I think about this a lot. Obviously I talk about land investing, I talk to a lot of people, you know, bartending and stuff, and people always ask, you know, oh, what, what else are you doing?
Right? Because every bartender has, especially in Nashville, people wanna find the next big, you know, music country star. So what, what are you doing during the day? Right? And I’m like, oh, I’m in real estate. Um, so I talked to a lot of people and everybody thinks it’s very interesting. Um. But running so many different kinds of businesses, I also get the pain points of this business.
I get where people are going to fall off. Like, there’s definitely parts here, like, getting hate calls. Like, at the very least, getting hate calls is challenging, right? And I, and, um, I look a lot about, I look at that as kind of a, um, There’s a benefit to getting those hate calls and I’ll talk about that here in a second, but like there’s pain points in this business that I can see this business isn’t for everybody.
And I think we tend to look at it, you know, young entrepreneurs or people who are just getting this being like, Oh my gosh, you guys are selling this program to thousands of people. And I’m like, You know, there’s probably 10 percent of these people who are going to make this past a year because it’s not as, you know, straightforward as it seems.
It’s not like I can go to an estate sale and I can buy a, you know, something at an estate sale and flip it on eBay. Which also has its own issues. This is a much larger, like you’re sending out mail, you’re dealing with customers, you’re dealing with, there’s, there’s a lot of things where people are gonna be like, that’s not for me.
That’s going to be too much of a time crunch or whatever. Um, so I think just getting into it, realizing like, Hey, this is, this is a real business. This isn’t like a get rich quick thing. Like this is, you’re starting a real company with real money involved. Um, and there’s absolutely this possibility of making good money in this business, but like, you gotta be able to, like, stick to it.
Like, you gotta be able to, you know, make the calls, answer the phone call, even though you know it’s somebody who’s gonna call and, and yell at you. Um, you know, you have to be able to scrub data. Like, you have to sit behind a computer for an hour a day and scrub some data, which like, for some people, that’s not gonna be their jam, you know?
So, there’s, there’s a lot to it that isn’t just like, I bought some land and then I sold it for this amount. It’s a fun story to tell, but like, You know, there’s so much more to it than that, you know, so, you know, dig into it, grind it out. And, and like I said, I think it’s, I think it’s a great business. You can do it from anywhere.
There’s so many great things about this business and the profits are so great that like. It’s worth, it’s a hundred percent worth the time, effort and money to get into this. Um, but yeah, and it’s a fun story to be like, I bought for 10 and sold for 200. But in all reality, we were talking a little bit offline.
Like that’s a good deal, but like, you’re not going to learn a ton from that one deal, but I think doing a bunch of 20, 000, 30, 000 deals over and over and over again, over the next five years is going to make you a master at this. Yeah. So realizing that this is going to be, you know, a five year, you know, A five year grind to make it a, an amazing, huge business.
Like, and not many people are going to make it there. Yeah, that’s, that’s the real talk.
Ron A.: And, um, yeah, a lot of good points there. And you’re an entrepreneur through and through. Um, but understanding that other aspect of like mindsets of people who aren’t like naturally entrepreneurs. Uh, the reality is if you’re not willing to like go through some tough times, like you’re probably should just stick to your W 2 job and like stick behind a desk and or your remote job, whatever it is, because like Everything you’re not going to get, you’re not going to get some, like, there’s not a real like get rich, uh, quick scheme.
There, there just aren’t any that are sustainable. Like there might be some scams and stuff, but that’s not get rich quick. That’s not a business. That’s not being an entrepreneur. Um, but as far as like the opportunity level and land, like, I don’t believe there’s any other better spotlight for, I don’t, I don’t even like saying the word faster, quicker, but it’s like for making, for really changing your life, like you had 15, 000 to your name or that you’re willing to put into this business, not to your name 12 months ago, and you turn that into, uh, I mean, uh, Unseen equity, like probably a hundred, hundred, 20, 000 in a year.
And like you said, like, there’s not many business you can do that, but without a doubt, it’s got its ups and down. We just, I just recorded a podcast with Adam, which came out, um, I guess a few days ago or when we’re recording this or when this comes out and Adam, like he had, uh, he He didn’t have struggles at the beginning.
He made 45, 000 in his first like month, two months. And then he had like six months of struggles. The struggles are going to come. It’s just, you don’t know exactly when and getting through them. The mindset of an entrepreneur, not even a land investor, the mindset of an entrepreneur is definitely needed in this business.
Darrick B.: Yeah, a hundred percent. I think, you know, approaching it like that, approaching it like a real business and something that’s like, you know, it’s awesome if you do get those deals, like incredible. Like I would love to do those deals all the time. But I mean, even something like as simple, not as simple, but as big as a subdivide, right?
You’re talking, it sounds awesome, but that’s going to be probably a six month deal, right? Like going in, getting it all chopped up, getting it back on the market and selling them all. Like, it’s not going to be quick at all, but Like the, the, the profit and everything is there and just making sure that you’re staying focused and, and keep pushing forward is going to be the biggest thing.
Ron A.: A hundred percent. Any other advice before we end this, um, Derek, anything else you want the viewers, the listeners to, uh, know about in terms of this, but in general, um, about your story, anything like that.
Darrick B.: Yeah, I will say this. There’s one thing that we talk about a lot in this community and it’s the hate calls, right?
Cause that’s, I think, and I think that’s a big part for people who are like, Oh, I don’t even answer the phone. And I fell into this a little bit. Like I don’t answer the phone for the first couple of days. Cause I’m, I know once the mail hits those first two days are probably, All hay calls. The difference is, is that I saw an opportunity there.
And so what I started doing was answering those calls and being like, I can hear that you’re very passionate about your land. Like, first of all, calm them down, right? You don’t get fired up. They won’t, you know, they’ll, they’ll calm, calm down. And you go, I can tell you’re passionate about your land. Are you interested in buying more land in that area?
Cause as you can see, if people do sell me land, I’m getting it at a discount and I can sell it to you at a discount. And a lot of times it’s like right away, people go like, Oh, Oh, actually, yes. I would like to buy some land and then you just add them real quick to a buyer’s list. And so when you do get a deal in that county that you just mailed, you have three or four people who are already interested possibly in buying that land, um, from you right away.
Right. And you go to them at 90 percent of market value and they’re excited because they’re getting a deal. Right. You know, and so it’s just you can kind of you can kind of talk people off the talk them off the ledge a little Bit while they’re yelling at you and be like, yeah totally get it You don’t have to sell me your land, but I can hear that you’re passionate about your land that you have.
I love that I’d love to sell you more.
Ron A.: Awesome. I’m sure that escalates
Darrick B.: 100 percent right away. People are like, oh cuz then they’re like I would like more land and I would like it at a discount, you know,
Ron A.: they can’t, they can’t argue with that. Um, awesome Derek. Well, I really appreciate you, uh, going through your story, that advice, um, very, very helpful.
Interesting background, entrepreneur, background, uh, record label, almost bought a Christmas tree farm, bartending, all this stuff. So excited for where you’re going in 2025. I think it’s going to be a huge year for you. Other than that, guys, if you’re watching on YouTube, hit the subscribe button below. If you’re listening on Spotify or Apple share it with a friend.
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