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The 10 WORST Places to Flip Land in the U.S. (Avoid at All Costs)

In this episode, Daniel and Ron Apke break down the worst states to flip land, diving deep into which areas land investors should avoid.

They discuss the challenges of finding deals in certain states, from overly clustered comps to difficult regulations and slow markets.

While they touch on the more obvious states to steer clear of, like Illinois, Iowa, and Florida, they also highlight some surprising contenders, such as Wyoming and North Dakota.

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Daniel & Ron share candid insights based on their years of experience in the land flipping business, helping investors understand where to focus their efforts for the best return on investment.

This conversation is a must-listen for anyone looking to refine their land investing strategy and avoid costly mistakes. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting, this episode will help you identify the red flags in the land market and save valuable time and resources.

Tune in for an informative discussion on the worst states to flip land, and why it’s crucial to avoid these areas when building your portfolio.

With their expertise and firsthand knowledge, Daniel and Ron offer practical advice to guide land investors toward more profitable markets!

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Dan A.: Hey everyone, welcome back. And today’s topic we’re talking about the worst states and markets to flip land. And I’m your host Daniel Apke, joined again by my brother and business partner Ron Apke.

And I thought this was a really good topic Ron. Just ’cause everyone’s looking for the places to avoid, you know, they don’t wanna send out their marketing and, and lose money or just enter bad areas. Market selection’s always a big, big topic here, Ron, but I’m excited to get into this one.

Ron A.: I think it’s a huge one, and it’s probably easier to say where to stay away from opposed to where to go, because everyone like floods one market if we say something.

But yeah, just like some areas, some keys when you’re kind of looking at areas, I think this will be really, really good. Yeah, maybe the next episode round will do. Best

Dan A.: places to flip land. It’s not a bad idea. All right, well, where, where do you wanna start on this episode, Ron? What makes a good, what makes a good state versus a bad state?

Ron A.: Yep. I I think that’s a good, I think that’s a really good spot to start is like what the difference is in the two. And I think you have like different categories on here and we don’t, I don’t have a list written down, but I’m gonna talk from our experience what these are. And I think there’s categories to good areas.

I think there’s categories to areas that, or, or attributes to areas that are not good. Let’s talk first, Dan, about like. Physical attributes, I think of states whether it’s sloped or really wet states. And with the land porter, like being able to filter these type of things out, like, I don’t think it makes it as difficult.

But what, what are your thoughts on those, like the physical attributes of areas keeping you away?

Dan A.: Yeah, a little bit, but I used to think that more so than now, I think everything now is about you wanna be in hot markets. Like you don’t wanna be in a market and be stuck with a piece of land for four or five months.

Don’t go to slow markets anymore. Like you do not want to do that. It is, I’d rather buy a property for 70% of market value in a good market than 25% in a bad market, to be honest with you. So I kind of changed my philosophy on how I look at that. I would revolve everything about just going in hot markets.

Where things are gonna sell fast, personally.

Ron A.: Interesting. What about like, so like Central Florida where you have 90% of them in wetlands, a lot of HOAs, like, I think that’s where like some of these quote unquote bad area, like you cannot filter out HOAs. No one is going to be able to effectively filter out HOAs.

It’s just not possible. What are your thoughts on that kind of stuff? Like ho a is obviously different than a physical attribute, but it’s definitely something where some areas have very, very, a ton of HOAs

Dan A.: if you can do it right in Florida. I mean, that’s why all the info guys are here. It’s the hottest state in the country.

I mean, you look at the mass migration here, there people are making money. That’s why info lots guys are all here. It’s just a little bit different type of business model than what we’re used to. Absolutely though, like if you’re going to target somewhere like Florida, you’re going, I, I would target land and get rid of fema, get rid of wetlands and you’re gonna have, you know, five properties for every a hundred in some of these areas ’cause of how flooded it is, Ron.

But these areas, Florida, you have to know I think more than a lot of states that we’re gonna talk about ’cause the markets change so fast. I think like the subdivisions and areas and counties, I think they change so fast. I think you have to know that market a little better. I would avoid Florida. For the South Florida, especially for the business model we’re in.

But if you’re targeting smaller info lots and you want to sell ’em really fast in hot markets, it’s the mass migration state. So people are making money.

Ron A.: Yeah, for sure. Info lots. Wholesaling those info lots. There’s, there’s definitely a lot of, I mean, there’s probably thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people wholesaling, infill lots in Florida, so it’s definitely got a lot of people doing that.

And I think with the software like the Land Porter, like it makes, I don’t, I don’t know how many of those guys are on it, but I know there’s so much opportunity like using software where you can filter out all that stuff. If you, if you are working in Florida, you 100% need to build filter around things.

And a lot of states like. There’s not many states where like, you don’t need to be able to filter down your list a little bit more. So if you’re talking about Northeast, and let’s go into the Northeast a little bit. So Florida, you’re okay with?

Dan A.: Yeah. Last thing with Florida though for our business model, I, I wouldn’t advise it necessarily South Florida, south Florida’s a different animal with the land, with the market.

It’s just different.

Ron A.: North, north Floor is almost like Georgia, north

Dan A.: Floor is like Georgia, South Carolina,

Ron A.: like once you get past our central or south. So you kind of would put that in like one of the worst areas to do this business if we, our business.

Dan A.: Yes, it, the businesses I would do it in is major Subdivides, maybe even some miners, like things like that where you can really make money from, from migration and just people moving in and people have money down here.

So you can sell luxury, you can sell big you can sell big, you know, expensive lots essentially.

Ron A.: That’s a good point. But yeah, I agree. For our business model, probably not the best spot to be if you’re doing entitling, other stuff like that. There’s just so much. There’s so much like nuance, I think with it.

And like even if you filter out wetlands, you’re gonna get some weird things. Like it’s just a lot of weird, like you, once you get out of like the main areas in Florida, it’s like you just don’t know what you’re gonna get. Honestly. And that’s why I would put this on my list for sure. Let’s go into like the northeast and like what, what are our thoughts on the Northeast?

Obviously a lot of slope up there. Very a lot of so Northeast has relatively small counties compared to like the rest of the country. A lot of them. New York has some really, really big counties and the size of counties should affect the way you’re doing this business as well. But what are your thoughts overall?

Northeast, you have West Virginia, Pennsylvania, west Virginia’s probably not in northeast Pennsylvania, New York, Maine, all those areas. What are your thoughts on there?

Dan A.: Don’t take Pennsylvania into it, so I, it is considered northeast, but let’s talk real northeast, like Maine, Vermont. New York Jersey, Maryland up there, I guess Maryland borders right there.

We’ll consider that. Like those states you’re talking about Delaware?

Ron A.: Yeah, those small states. I would throw all those small states, like if we’re trying to get a list of the worst five, 10 states, all of those small states, Delaware New Jersey, there’s just not enough lane there. Maryland. Rhode Island, like all those small states are definitely spots not to do this business.

There’s so many city limits, there’s so little volume of land. I have never seen like a deal that I’ve been excited. I’ve looked at a lot of Maryland deals and I’ve still never really seen a deal that I’m overly excited. Do you have a different opinion on those at all?

Dan A.: Yeah, well there’s those and then there’s like those are kind of in one bucket and yeah, I agree.

We see a lot of deals from there and we don’t get that excited about ’em in Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware. Jersey, but the states I do that, I do sometimes see deals is Vermont, sometimes Maine. I think that ’cause there’s more land, I think Vermont’s more

Ron A.: rural for sure, more New Jersey, Maryland are very, very Delaware even are much more urban.

But yeah, those states I love honestly, and we can talk a little bit more about that and like Vermont and Main, it’s still hard though

Dan A.: compared to the rest of the country. I think it’s still on the bottom. Not in the bottom, bottom, but. Mid to bottom.

Ron A.: What’s the reason for that slope? Or is there a different reason?

Dan A.: Slope’s a big one. You can filter those out now. I would, I would actually be sur I, we haven’t targeted that since the slope since our slope feature. You can remove slope, slope properties on the lamp portal and I’d be surp, I’d be curious to see how people do using that filter properly in the markets.

But it’s just from my experience, what I’ve seen people attack it hard and I just, the results haven’t been there. It’s just more of a gut feeling than anything.

Ron A.: That’s fair, but. I’d be interested, like I think it is definitely when you’re first starting, I think definitely stay away from that because there’s gonna be a lot of nuance with how you’re filtering things out, and it’s gonna be a lot of like testing things out.

Probably building lists is gonna be a little more complex in terms of how you do it. Because you’re definitely gonna want to filter out like extreme mountainside slope. But that being said, I wouldn’t say it’s the worst area in the country or one of the worst five or seven states in terms of like you have New York with a ton of slope.

Daniel, you said keep Pennsylvania outta there. So if you’re talking about like New York, ver Vermont, Maine, is there anything else up there that I’m missing?

Dan A.: New York, Vermont, Maine

Ron A.: probably is

Dan A.: Massachusetts.

Ron A.: Massachusetts, yeah. That’s can get very, I’ve never, I wouldn’t,

Dan A.: I would stay away from that.

Ron A.: There’s so much. I feel like all of Massachusetts is like I up suburban Boston, I, ID Vermont

Dan A.: and probably Maine. But like there, it’s, it is a different animal. They’re coastal, so you gotta watch out for that. Maine’s a bunch of islands and stuff up there. It’s crazy. In the wintertime you just, it’s a different market.

So if we’re looking at the 50 states, I’d put this in probably somewhere would fall in like the bottom 15 to 2020. So what’s that, 30 to 50? It would fall in somewhere like that. So it’s not the worst state. I’d do it over Florida all day. Since we talked, talked about Florida first, Northeast. Yeah. Yeah.

Ron A.: Okay. So Florida’s definitely on that list as far as like one of the worst for

Dan A.: our business model. Yeah.

Ron A.: Anything else on this side of the country that you can think of in terms of you have really slow states, maybe with Mississippi then you also have a lot of wet states, Louisiana. Louisiana.

Louisiana’s a weird state to do this business. ’cause Louisiana has some trash, some laws around this and they also have, it’s just they don’t have counties. Correct. They have parishes. So it’s, it is just an odd area to, I don’t like

Dan A.: Alabama either.

Ron A.: What’s the reason for that?

Dan A.: Just awful experience with them.

Ron A.: Yeah. We’ve made a little bit of money in Alabama, but yeah, we

Dan A.: have, but we’ve also been, and that was before the way more in Alabama, I feel like. And they’re horrible data and the counties are awful to work with and just not the best. Probably made a lot of money in Mississippi at like

Ron A.: 25. At 25. Same thing with Mississippi.

Mississippi might be a little better, but one of the issues with like those southern states with. One of the issues we ran into in those southern states like that. And again, it’s something, and when I’m talking about picking bad states, like yeah, really slow markets are stuff we just cannot filter out and we’re marketing to bad land, bad properties, what for whatever reason.

So like I said before, some areas have really high volume HOAs, which is not the case down here. What I found a lot in Mississippi and Alabama. Is a lot of your properties will not be deeded over correctly, whoever’s calling you back, especially Mississippi a lot of the people who are calling you back, there’s 12 people on the deeds, seven of ’em are dead.

Or there’s 12. Like they’re just, the deeds are so messy. The title is so messy overall in both of those states, to be honest with you, Dan. And a lot of people do business very, very successfully down there, but that is something in those areas, including us. For sure. And that is something in those areas that keep in mind and you get excited about these purchase agreements and then you pull up the deed and you’re like, who the hell is this person?

This thing was deeded in 1840 and it’s never been passed down. Like there’s no way you’re gonna get title insurance. And I probably, we, of the purchase agreements that we have where we liked the land, especially Mississippi, I would guess we bought like 20% of them and we fell off so many because of deed issues.

Dan A.: Yeah. In any of these states, it’s possible to do business in, I don’t know if we said this before, like people are doing full businesses in Maine, in in Rhode Island and Maryland. I see deals all the time. Florida people are doing this business. We’re just saying for our business where we would start for your best success type of deal.

Not saying you can’t do it in these states, you will, and there are people doing it all the time. We’re talking bad about Mississippi right now in Alabama, we’ve probably had 30 to 40% of our revenue come from Mississippi and Alabama. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So it’s, it’s very doable.

There’s pros and cons in every state. So we’re just gonna hash it out like

Ron A.: that. I think they’re kind of top 20 states on it. I know you said mid tier, like 50th percentile. They might be. Oh man was

Dan A.: awful.

Ron A.: Well, I don’t know what it’s, well, a lot of our issue with Alabama was landlocked and we can filter all that out.

Alabama has like 40% of their properties are landlocked and you can filter all that out. It’s slow. A

Dan A.: lot of those counties are

Ron A.: slow. They’re big counties, so a lot of them like you, like when you’re choosing areas, you’re choosing based on a county and they’re really big counties, so you have pockets of counties that will move quicker than you have pockets of counties.

And I was reviewing a deal for someone yesterday, I think, and it was like, okay, this area, the county is, I. Like really bad. Like this is slow. And then I looked over like, okay, these are moving really fast. The counties are big. They’re like two hour drives from the side of the side, side to side of the county, maybe more.

Dan A.: Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good point. Okay, let’s keep moving. So we’re staying on this side of the county. We said

Ron A.: Louisiana a little bit Louisiana. Anything else? Stay away from Louisiana’s? Just a weird area. I, we’ve done a few deals in there. Again, they’re very, Louisiana is. Like the rural Louisiana, very little land moves.

I don’t know if there’s government land or whatever, to be honest, but there’s just pockets of high concentration of They’re parishes. Yeah, but there’s con like the, the, it doesn’t feel like there’s a lot of rural land that’s moving when you just look at a Zillow map and you hit stay away from

Dan A.: Louisiana.

So you would put

Ron A.: that bottom five?

Dan A.: Yes. Okay. 1000%. I mean, it’s also a non-disclosure state.

Ron A.: I might put

Dan A.: that at the bottom one from what I know.

Ron A.: Really

Dan A.: like think of if you’re thinking of all the places to target, that would probably be my last.

Ron A.: Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I’ve never targeted there. We’ve funded deals there and they’ve gone all right.

But interesting.

Dan A.: Something about it. Interesting. No one’s moving there. It’s slow markets. It’s hard to acquire land. It’s, it’s south and unorganized with the data and stuff. It’s, you get all the issues, except it’s also slow, I think. But let’s keep moving.

Ron A.: So what about up in the North? I guess kind of staying Midwest, north Minnesota.

Wisconsin good states. You can throw Michigan in there. What’d you say?

Dan A.: Those are good states.

Ron A.: Yeah. You will deal with a lot of wetlands. You will deal with some really slow areas outside. And the counties are a little bigger up there, but I’ve seen so much, I haven’t done a ton of deals up there. We have some people who are just in those areas and they are doing so, so well.

So it, it definitely varies I think. But overall, I think it’s just a really good area to do the business. Yeah, I mean, especially in Michigan, Michigan’s a little different than those two I think.

Dan A.: You also have a couple ones I consider bad right there too, though. I’m looking at a map now so I don’t miss anything.

You have Iowa, right, south of Minnesota and Wisconsin that borders that. Chicago, even Illinois or not Chicago, Illinois. Chicago is a very bad state. Indiana, Illinois, Indiana’s good. Ohio’s right there. Ohio’s good. I don’t think Indiana’s good, but I think it’s mid-tier, so we won’t talk about that.

But like Illinois and Iowa, those are bottom 10.

Ron A.: Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. And those are, Chicago has some laws along with that, that Illinois, Ron, gosh darn it, Illinois has some laws along with that. That making this business is a little difficult. It’s a lot of farmland. Again, like you talk about things like you can filter out farmland.

Based on land use and stuff. But it is like, that’s another thing that is more difficult to eliminate when you are pulling data, pulling property records. So that’s definitely Iowa. I’ve never seen a deal in Iowa, to be honest with you.

Dan A.: Stay away. Stay away from Illinois. Stay away from Iowa. Yeah.

Ron A.: Good. Right.

Let’s move a little, let’s, we have a

Dan A.: lot of bad states that I’m looking at, but it’s good. Like

Ron A.: this is gonna be really helpful. People are north. We

Dan A.: said Florida’s bad, but North Florida’s really good.

Ron A.: Yeah. That’s why I kind of looped into in Georgia.

Dan A.: Yeah,

Ron A.: it’s like two different markets. Yeah, I agree.

Mm-hmm. And guys, if we’re not talking about areas, we probably are okay with them for the most part. We maybe will miss something. Yeah. Like Virginia,

Dan A.: West Virginia. Okay. Okay. Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina. We’re gonna do a best States one here soon too.

Ron A.: Yeah, I like that a lot. So moving, moving west a little bit, Dan.

We have Nebraska, we have Kansas. What are those? Awful. Awful. Really? Yes. I wouldn’t say they’re bottom 10. Really? No dang near it. There’s some counties in there. I’m not saying like just go target the whole state. But there are counties and I’ve seen, we’ve done deals in they’re hot markets

Dan A.: though.

They are, they are. They you will sell. That’s what I mean. Like you have outside

Ron A.: of the main cities. And you can even two counties removed from main cities, like yeah, it’s a lot of, again, a lot of farmland there. So you gotta be careful with that. You gotta know what you’re doing. But as far as like, I know I could go there and make a good amount of money there.

Like I these other states, like you talk about Illinois. I’m gonna say Chicago again. You talk about Illinois, like you’re not, you can’t pay me, you can’t pay for my marketing, for me to go do go target any put in Kansas and Nebraska. I, I’m not, I think they’re somewhere 30 to 40.

Dan A.: Mm.

Ron A.: Okay. That’s fair. I

Dan A.: think I kind of agree with that actually.

Ron A.: Maybe even 25 to 35.

Dan A.: 25. So what’s that? Wait, wait. One’s being the worst,

Ron A.: one’s being the best.

Dan A.: Okay. One’s the best. So 25 to 35. It’s definitely closer to 35 if that.

Ron A.: Yeah.

Dan A.: Kansas. Kansas. I don’t know. I can’t get behind that. It’s very expensive.

Ron A.: Yeah.

Dan A.: Kansas is probably, and all ag.

Ron A.: Nebraska. They’re very similar, I feel like, but

Dan A.: Kansas is right next to Oklahoma.

It’s like South Kansas.

Ron A.: Mm-hmm.

Dan A.: Oklahoma type of land. Because if that’s the case, I would go after it. I just don’t know Kansas well enough. Yeah.

Ron A.: I, they’re all pocket that I, if you’re new, I’d stay

Dan A.: away from both of these personally.

Ron A.: Yeah. I, I don’t think it’s the worst 10. I don’t think it’s a bottom 10.

Personally, I do not think it’s the top 10, top 15 for sure. I, yeah. But let’s keep, yeah. We have

Dan A.: a lot more states in here that I thought so. We’re gonna get a 10 list together by the end of this and, and do it. So let’s keep moving.

Ron A.: All right. Let’s go to let’s kind of move around that area. Let’s talk about, I think a lot of the states are really similar in terms of North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana.

You could throw Colorado in there. Is there anything else up there that I’m forgetting? I mean, you got Utah, Utah’s a little different, I think, but I would probably loop Colorado and Utah in together. Let’s talk about those four real fast. North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, and Montana. Those are all clustered, correct, or no?

Dan A.: Yeah, those are all clustered at the north. Okay.

Ron A.: I hate these states for this business. I

Dan A.: would put all these, that’s why Kansas has a good argument to not be in the top 10 is ’cause we got states like bottom. Yeah, bottom 10. Well, top 10 were states.

Ron A.: One of the issues with these states, now I wanted to get to this and I talked about it with with Louisiana a little bit, is if you look at the sold comps in any of these states.

They are so clustered, so like there’s so little land where you can actually find realistic comps for all of these states because all the comps are like right by a Cheyenne, or right by Billings, min Montana or Bozeman, Montana. And then nothing rural. They get, they’re such big counties. They’re such big states, and you can loop Colorado in this, to be honest.

Colorado’s gonna have a lot of clusters. It’s a little different. Some of the issues with these states are, the counties are so, so big and there’s no comps in rural parts of the counties. Especially when you talk about those four. These four are 100% for me. Can There’s expensive ass land in Montana and Wyoming for sure.

I think we just did a YouTube shorter Instagram reel and we talked about the, I think Wyoming might have the cheapest land in the country, actually. But that being said, like, oh yeah, these four states are a hundred percent in our bottom 10.

Dan A.: Yeah, especially North Dakota, South Dakota, I mean, these are like Montana, Wyoming, you would think would be in the top 10 ’cause of how expensive and desirable they are.

But it’s like very hard to do. This business in those states. Very, very difficult. It’s, it’s not, I don’t wanna loop Colorado in there because half of Colorado you can actually do decent business in. But you start going up in the mountains, in the Rockies, and. Near the ski towns and all that, it gets very, very difficult.

Some people built

Ron A.: their business in Colorado. One of our first marketing campaigns was in Colorado.

Dan A.: Yeah, there’s, there’s plenty in Colorado. I wouldn’t consider Colorado in the bottom 10, but the four that we talked about, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, I would, and I’d even loop Idaho in there ’cause that’s next.

Ron A.: Let’s oh, Idaho. Idaho’s with there. Okay, so I’m gonna lock those in, Dan and we won’t have order 10. So, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota. South Dakota and what was the other one right there? Wyoming. Wyoming, okay. And then I’m not gonna have Florida in there yet because I, no, don’t put Florida in there. If we’re talking about bottom 10, Florida might not be in there.

We have a lot of crap states in this area. We did talk about Chicago and Iowa. Oh my

Dan A.: gosh. Ron,

Ron A.: Illinois and Illinois. And Iowa. I’m gonna put in there for now. There’s a chance they could get bumped out. Probably not though.

Dan A.: Illinois and Iowa. Yes. That’s a good point. Have okay, so we have seven

Ron A.: right now, Dan, so, and, and let’s go.

We have

Dan A.: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico. All right there. They’re definitely not in the bottom 10. I like all those states.

Ron A.: Yeah, Arkansas and Oklahoma are definitely more ideal. Arkansas is a very, very slow Texas. No, I, I didn’t hear you say Texas. Honestly. Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma there are par areas of Texas where I’m like, do not try to do deals on them.

It is going to be awful. Texas is the size of half of our country. But that being said, like overall, like there are people who build million dollar businesses in Texas doing this business, so definitely can’t have that. Same as

Dan A.: New Mexico though

Ron A.: Arkansas and Oklahoma for sure. Same thing with New Mexico, you said?

Dan A.: Yeah. There’s tons of people doing business there. Like it’s very, very populated with land investors.

Ron A.: Not as much our business model, how we do it.

Dan A.: Yeah. But I’m just saying land investing in general.

Ron A.: Okay. And then you also going over a little bit, Dan, let’s loop in Arizona. Arizona, Nevada. California.

Dan A.: Nevada,

Ron A.: Utah. And you have Colorado. Kind of. So Arizona. Definitely not Arizona. This business is being done by so many people. It’s a different type of business than what we’re doing. Yeah. But Arizona’s definitely a solid area. Nevada is not fun.

Dan A.: Yeah, but bottom 10

Ron A.: I, I mean, I wouldn’t say I’d go to Florida before I go to Nevada.

Dan A.: Yeah, I would too. I wouldn’t put Florida in there.

Ron A.: That’s what I mean. And.

Dan A.: California’s absolutely like not, not on this list. The California deal. Okay, so California

Ron A.: is not on this list. You do a lot of good

Dan A.: deals.

Ron A.: Utah. Utah, I don’t know enough about it. We’ve had some people that have done really well in Utah, and I’ve funded their deals and I, I’ve made decent money on them.

But that being said, it’s a non-disclosure state, which is a hurdle. And there are, again, there are not a lot of comps, like getting comps in these areas. It’s like they’re all clustered. That’s something when you guys are looking at areas to choose, look at these. Areas where you do not have comps all throughout the county essentially.

And Utah, you will see that, where you will not have comps throughout the county. It’s very difficult. It might be easy to send mail, get some leads coming back, but it’s difficult, like how do I decide what this land’s gonna sell for?

Dan A.: Mm-hmm. I agree.

Ron A.: I’m gonna put Utah right there by Nevada and Florida.

Do you agree?

Dan A.: Yeah. But then we still have, I Is Idaho on that list?

Ron A.: Idaho is not.

Dan A.: I put Idaho. I think

Ron A.: Idaho’s worse than those.

Dan A.: Yes.

Ron A.: Okay, so I’m gonna put, oh no, I have Idaho as one of the worst right now. Montana. How do you have Montana? Have the worst seven. Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Iowa.

Dan A.: Those are bad states. We also didn’t put

Ron A.: any of those northeast states. Nevada’s not on there now. We didn’t put any of those northeast states down.

Dan A.: I know I’m still, these states are bad though, that we’re talking about.

Ron A.: Nevada is not on there. I would not like if we start No, I I would have those Northeast states, explorers.

What

Dan A.: about Oregon and Washington? They’re not on there.

Ron A.: Washington? No. I, I’ve seen too many. Like six. What about Oregon? Igo in Washington, there’s a ton of five acre plots in Washington. I would say no for Washington. That would probably be better than Utah, Nevada, Florida, in my mind. And I target

Dan A.: Oregon over Rhode Island.

Ron A.: Huh.

Dan A.: I target Oregon over Rhode

Ron A.: Island. Oregon sucks, though.

Dan A.: They both suck, but it’s like we have to limit this to 10. So you’re saying

Ron A.: Oregon as in the, that’s eighth,

Dan A.: not eighth in Oregon? No, no. I’m saying we gotta put Rhode Island on there. If we’re gonna put Oregon on there, I’d rather target Oregon than Rhode Island.

Okay. Wouldn’t you?

Ron A.: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I’m writing these down here. One second and we can go over this off. So I’m locking in Utah, Nevada, and Florida as not being in our bottom 10. We agree on that? Definitely not.

Dan A.: Definitely not. Okay. I actually feel kind of good about Nevada. I can go get you. Okay.

So

Ron A.: I have, I have Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Iowa. And then we have Maryland, Rhode Island, Delaware, New Jersey. Louisiana and you wanted to lock Oregon in? Good.

Dan A.: No, no, no, no. I don’t think we necessarily lock Oregon in.

Ron A.: See, Louisiana I don’t think is like I, I’ve done deals there.

We have a deal for sale there that is going pretty well. Like I, I don’t think I would, I tell someone to do it as first again, those are probably, I agree. The next five, but I’m gonna keep Louisiana out of there, I think. All

Dan A.: right, so now we have Delaware, Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Maine, New York, Pennsylvania.

Ron A.: Maine, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont are not in the bottom 10. Those, those, I didn’t even say

Dan A.: Maryland’s not in the bottom 10. I’ve seen a lot of Maryland deals.

Ron A.: Okay. So Maryland you’re good with?

Dan A.: Yeah, I, I know you can do those. So, Rhode

Ron A.: Island. Alright. Like Delaware

Dan A.: and Rhode Island and Delaware and Rhode Island would be the two.

Delaware and Rhode Island. Okay. And keeping, because I’ve seen a lot of Jersey deals. Really? Yeah. That’s where Joe and Mike, we’re doing forever.

Ron A.: Okay. We’re at nine though. Okay. So I have Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Iowa, Rhode Island, Delaware. On the next segment of it, I have New Jersey and Oregon.

I have Louisiana locked in as not there. But we also could change that. I have Utah and Nevada right below Florida and Maryland. Maryland. I don’t like. But

Dan A.: I, but you look at Maryland versus, would you rather send mail to Maryland or Oregon?

Ron A.: Yeah, probably Maryland. So we’re gonna throw Oregon in here, huh?

Dan A.: I don’t know. That’s what we gotta start comparing. Would you rather say? Okay, so we have

Ron A.: nine guys. We have Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Iowa, Rhode Island, and Delaware. We have nine locked in somewhere in our bottom 10.

And again, this episode is all about getting the worst worst states. And I guess maybe we, we will list the worst 10 states. Is there anything we’re missing? Dan, you’re looking at the map. I don’t have the map up.

Dan A.: So we have Montana and Idaho and Wyoming in there. The one we don’t have is Utah.

Ron A.: Yeah, Utah had locked in kind of with Nevada and we’ve done a few deals.

I would send out to

Dan A.: Nevada. Utah

Ron A.: has a lot of HOAs, like a lot of HOAs, and we have Colorado locked in. I’m not familiar

Dan A.: enough with Utah to make this decision though I don’t think I agree with you.

Ron A.: Yeah, I would definitely have Utah over Oregon. Like I, I think for me it’s between Oregon and New Jersey. I am gonna pull up the map real fast.

Just to make sure I’m not missing anything. Wait, New

Dan A.: Jersey, we have Delaware locked in, right?

Ron A.: Yes. Delaware. Delaware, Rhode Island,

Dan A.: Delaware, Rhode Island. Okay, so what about Connecticut? Ron? We got a lot. Connecticut Connect. Ooh,

Ron A.: I forgot about Connecticut. Yeah, we got

Dan A.: a lot Connecticut in.

Ron A.: You think so?

Over what? Oh, we forgot about New Hampshire up there. That’s where by Ver New Hampshire and Vermont are good. Like not good. Yeah, I like that. But they’re like, they’re. There are 25 to 30, I think probably somewhere in there. Like those are not in the States. We haven’t talked about Dan. I know, I don’t know if we, I think you mentioned West Virginia at some point.

West Virginia is a solid place to do this business. Yeah. We’re gonna have another episode also just completely, we don’t need to get too much into Nebraska and Kansas, which I guess we locked in as fine. I know you were hating on them. Pretty good. Yeah. And we’re talking about continental guys. We’re not too much Alaska, Hawaii.

No, I would do,

Dan A.: I would do Nebraska. Nebraska scares me more than Kansas, but that’s probably just, god damn who wants to be in Nebraska? I don’t know. That’s just maybe, probably bias, I think. But Ron, we also have Connecticut. We have Massachusetts, we haven’t locked in.

Ron A.: Correct. I think Massachusetts like you get so the eastern area of Massachusetts when you’re really close to Boston, I think that’s where Boston is.

But yeah, ’cause the harbor and everything. So the eastern area of Massachusetts I would not mess with, but I think like right south of Vermont and New Hampshire like that. Mid to western area of Massachusetts. You can do deals. These 2, 3, 5 acre deals. Like you can make a lot of money flipping land there.

Dan A.: Okay. What about K? So Connecticut, we need to choose between Connecticut. I don’t know a

Ron A.: lot about Connecticut to be honest with you. I haven’t seen deals, so that’s, I would not, we, we’ve coached thousands of people. We’ve helped thousands of people do this business. So there’s something keeping them away from there.

Dan A.: I would put Connecticut.

Ron A.: Alright, locking in Connecticut and we’re keeping New Jersey and Oregon. That’s kind of what it’s over right now. I agree with

Dan A.: that.

Ron A.: Connect. Alright, so we have Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Iowa, Rhode Island, Delaware, Connecticut as the worst 10 states to flip land and any hesitancy there, Dan The the next five guys just kind of what I have on here.

New Jersey, Oregon, Massachusetts Louisiana, probably. But yeah, those top 10, like don’t, do, don’t do deals probably in the top bottom 15, honestly. But that being said, like Dan said, we’ll do a top one, like the best places to do this business for sure. But I feel pretty solid about that list, Dan. I do too.

That was fun. Kind of going over that. Yeah, we’re gonna, because we didn’t come prep to this, like we didn’t talk about this, we talked about the topic before, but kind of going through this and solving this is. I just haven’t seen a lot of deals from these areas. It’s not saying you can’t, but if you’re brand new pro, probably stay away from those.

Dan A.: I agree.

Ron A.: Alright guys, well, I appreciate you guys. Listen, if you guys have let us know for sure in the comments you’re watching on YouTube. Let us know your thoughts. If you’ve made a million dollars flipping land in Idaho or Montana, let us know. We definitely want to hear those stories. Maybe we’ll get you on the podcast.

Other than that, guys, thank you so much for watching. Hit the subscribe button, share this with a friend. See you next time. Thanks for joining guys.

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