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In this episode of The Real Estate Investing Podcast, Ron Apke sits down with Suzanne Gold, a remarkable land investor who has carved out her own path to success while flipping land in the United States—all from Europe. 

Suzanne shares the challenges of navigating a non-traditional entrepreneurial journey, from overcoming the hurdles of international payments to mastering pricing strategies in non-disclosure states. Her story is a testament to resilience, adaptability, and the power of community support.

Suzanne offers a refreshing perspective on what it takes to succeed as an introvert in the land-flipping business. She highlights how land investing has not only provided financial and location freedom but also transformed her confidence and mindset.

From negotiating deals to fostering meaningful relationships with sellers and buyers, Suzanne emphasizes the importance of personal growth and ethical practices. 

Whether you’re a budding entrepreneur, an introvert seeking a flexible career, or someone simply curious about land investing, Suzanne’s journey will leave you inspired and eager to tune in for the full episode.

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Ron A.: Hey everybody. Welcome back to the real estate investing podcast. I’m your host Ron Apke joined today by one of our oldest students in terms of not oldest, but one of our most tenured students that we’ve had, Suzanne Gold. She’s been with us for going on three years. I think now, Suzanne, welcome to the show.

Susanne G.: Thanks. Um, thanks for having me. It’s been a long time coming. But, uh, I kind of avoided it cause I’m so shy.

Ron A.: And I know you’re going out of your comfort zone with this. And we appreciate that, uh, your expertise, everything you’ve done in this business is awesome. Uh, you’re doing this business from Europe, which I think is another thing that like we can definitely touch on, but let’s just back up.

Suzanne, like how’d you find land investing? Uh, what attracted you to the business model? How’d you end up where, uh, just getting started in the business in the first place?

Susanne G.: Yeah, good question. So yeah, I actually started, I remember when I signed up because it was March 20th, um, 2022. And I remember we had like that call, um, because I was in a car in Bulgaria at the time on vacation with you.

And, um, so I found you guys, I was at the time I was, um, doing a job, an administrative job that it wasn’t, that I was trying to get out of because I didn’t like the place I was working in as in the actual location. Um, and I also knew it was it was at the time it was kind of like a an interim situation anyway, and I had also, um, so let me put it this way.

Um, the last 10 years have been kind of chaotic and With a lot of ups and downs, um, in my life because of, uh, yeah, a divorce basically. And so I had always needed to adjust my job situation to that. And, um, in 2022, I, um, bought a single family house in South Carolina. Yeah. And as someone in Germany, and this was off of the internet, off of a platform called Roofstock back in the day, where you do it like based off of numbers and, well I did do market research, and that for me kind of was like, that was, that took a lot of courage for me, um, to start an LLC and do this, um, in the USA and, Um, and once I did that, I felt so empowered that I kept on listening to real estate podcasts, and I was just looking for something that would give me a way out of financial freedom, basically, and location freedom.

And I listened to other land investing podcasts, but when I found you, I really liked that it was so matter of fact, because, because I had, you know, a lot of, you know, relational clutter in my life. I didn’t want any, you know, I wanted all of the fuzz out of the, out of the business. And I just loved this matter of fact approach.

It was so, and so, um, yeah. So I listened to your podcasts and we had that talk and then I just decided, okay, well, the initial investment actually isn’t all that high for this opportunity. I think land is manageable because, you know, there’s a lot less moving pieces to it, so I gave it a go.

Ron A.: Nice. That’s a, that’s a, that’s an awesome story.

And, uh, where you, you bought that property in South Carolina in 2022 as well, were you looking for, uh, into other business models or like, was it like you’re set on land flipping now? I need to find out where I’m going to learn from.

Susanne G.: So, um, well, the property that I meant in 2022 was not land. It was a single family home cause I’d sold basically, um, my apartment that I needed kind of because of the divorce.

And, um, so it was because in, in Europe, we don’t have great returns as far as rent is concerned. So I, because I needed to, um, supplement my income and I was just looking for ways to do that. So the house was the initial start. I mean, in all honesty, um, property taxes are pretty high in Columbia. So, so it’s actually not a big cashflow business model, but it was a way to take an asset and then transfer it.

And, and it was the cashflow argument that made total sense for me with the land business, because that’s what I was looking for. I was looking for, okay. In the beginning, just additional income because of my high overhead cost. And then, um, look, you know, location freedom. I was really, really desperate to get out of the even though it was a period of COVID, but I was basically the office manager.

So even though everyone was working from home, I was always, I always needed to be in the office and I didn’t want to be in the city in the first place. So, so, um, yeah, so that’s the backstory to that.

Ron A.: Nice. So you got into the course and what was kind of your first six months like in the course as far as like, did you, where’s the just learning?

Was it like you started to do some marketing? What did that look like in terms of that? And our course looks completely different, I’m sure, as you can attest to, uh, three years ago as opposed to today. But what did those first like three, six months look like in terms of like what your marketing was? Did you even start marketing yet?

Susanne G.: Definitely. I mean, I was thinking about that the other day and I could. So, like it has, your course has transformed and I as a person have transformed as well, thanks to your course. So in the beginning, knowing that I am more comfortable doing analyses, I actually signed up for your course. And then on discord pretty quickly found someone who I thought, who I partnered up with, um, he would be the marketing part and I would be the numbers and analytical part, um, So I, in the beginning, actually starting off, I made a few mistakes that I would recommend people do not make.

Um, and the first was this partnership. Then we did send out a mailer, but we didn’t do a deal together. And then in working together, we just found out that we didn’t have, so this was someone that we didn’t know each other. We didn’t have the same, like we were not, as far as resources go, we were not equal.

And so that translates also into kind of a disparity when you talk about profit split and such. So, um, then we decided not to continue and I decided, okay, I’m going to do this myself now. And by that time, and then I made, and then I sent out marketing and I got my first property under contract with a deal funder.

Um, And the second, oh yes, and I quit my job. Because the, because I was, I quit my job and I quit it too early. Like basically I had just gotten one property, funding for one property and another property which I bought with my own funds. And I quit it too early because I then, having quit my job and having bought that property with my own funds, Got a little antsy as I saw the funds deplete and go into marketing because I then discovered that I do have a big security mindset.

Um, but I did that because I was convinced and because it gave me the location freedom that I did indeed need. But then I discovered that my mindset wasn’t quite ready for it yet. And so I got another job then that I was able to do remotely. And, um, yeah, and spent basically eight months in that job. So all of 2023, the deals that I did, I was back in another job, but basically had changed my location and was able to travel back and forth a bit.

Ron A.: Nice. Wow. That’s a, that’s a crazy journey as far as, and that’s just in your first year of land investing. We still have two more years to cover after that. So how long did it take you to get your first deal? I know you had that partnership that, uh, failed. How long from when you started, um, what kind of marketing, uh, money or what kind of marketing did you send out to get that first deal?

Susanne G.: Yeah, it, I think that was actually, so when I started 2022 and when I, I think I seriously started sending out mail in August, um, Um, without the partnership on my own, and I, and I think I got the first deals under contract in October, and the mailers were small because I was, um, on the one hand, very careful with my marketing money.

But on the other hand, I also realized also from the deal review that I felt confident with my pricing. I spent a lot of time with on pricing and, and the cool thing about that is is right away. I noticed that I didn’t need to be scared of the phone calls because I think when the prices are in that range, that makes sense.

You also don’t get a lot of hate calls. So I have over the whole period never had, you know, I can’t say that I get a ton of hate calls or anything bad like that when I’m so, so it went pretty fast actually. And the mailer wasn’t all that big either. I think maybe 1500 That was October. Yeah, I got my first deals under contract.

I think in October. Yeah, October 22 and both of them. I think we’re on the market for like four months. They were in slow county back in the day, a slow county.

Ron A.: Yeah, it’s, it’s crazy. I look back and like 2022 seems like yesterday. And then like, it’s, it’s going on three years, which is cool to see. And like I said earlier, I think I, like, I remember messaging you before you bought the course and just like talking to you through it, I remember talking to you in the car, um, when you’re in the car, whatever that was three years ago, I guess, when we had that consultation.

Uh, so yeah, it’s been a journey for sure. One thing, like you’re obviously, I don’t know, six years old. Six hours ahead of East coast time. I believe six or seven hours ahead of East coast time. You and Max and Christina and these people in our community who are doing this from Europe. Like, um, you guys are still a huge part of the live calls.

Like it doesn’t feel like you guys are halfway across the world. Like has, what kind of hurdles has that been doing it overseas? Not just with the, I guess with time change, but also like, uh, tax stuff. Uh, and that stuff I know creates some hurdles as well. Can you touch a little bit on about, uh, just the difficulties doing it from a different country?

Susanne G.: Yeah, I think the biggest difficulty doing it from a different country and caveat, I think Max and I as, as non American citizens, um, is that you don’t have, like you, you’re kind of, you’re kind of a maverick figuring it out usually, um, this stuff a little bit, the tax implications. The time zone, um, was actually a little difficult on the private front for me personally, because my partner in the beginning didn’t really like, um, Like I had to figure out where to do it in the evening hours.

But now, since you guys always, like in the beginning, I would always, I would still do the live deal review call, which is night my time. I know Max still does that and I admire him for it. Now, in all honesty, I’ll listen to the recording because as I grow older and the longer I stay up after midnight does not translate well, especially Thursdays and Fridays.

But I, I’ve always been more of an afternoon and a night person. Mm hmm. So, um, so I actually am very productive between, like, I think it goes back to school days, like, doing homework between, I don’t know, 4 and 8 p. m. That goes down really well for me, so I’m actually someone who’s really comfortable working, um, 4 p.

m. and later. Um, what it doesn’t mean county wise is that I try not to go, like, further than the Midwest. Like, if I were to do California, for example, ugh. That’s tough. Or, um, I’ve noticed talking to, um, my one deal funder in Colorado. That’s, that is tough to coordinate. Cause that’s, um, that’s an eight hour time difference.

And that, that turns out to be a lot, but the, the biggest issue where I’m kind of like going, ah, I’ll just figure it out as I go. Um, is the, is the taking title to yourself kind of cashflow perspective. Um, Um, because there’s a withholding tax. It doesn’t have to do with being overseas. It has to do with being an American citizen or not.

Um, because the IRS just wants to make sure that they get their money first before the other country that the person is a citizen of gets their money. If there’s a double taxation agreement. And so, but I found, and next year I actually want to, that’s my goal. I want to do more smaller deals. So I’m changing, I’m all in all, I’m going to be, I have.

I’m being a lot more strategic next year. Um, I want to target smaller properties, something that I have not done. I usually did five acres so that I can take title a little bit myself because I’m just closing on a property where for the first time I, we took, so I took title on it, my LLC, um, the withholding tax, this, these closing attorneys are actually just doing withholding tax, the state withholding tax.

Which, by the way, in South Carolina has gone up by 2 percent 7 to 7 percent for anyone that needs to know that for out of state, um, sellers and they’re doing it. So the last story short, I think that closing attorneys, um, it depends on how comfortable they feel doing this with someone who is in this situation.

And these closing attorneys, um, It’s looking to be a very favorable cash flow. Before that, um, I wanted to be safe. And then there was like a 20 percent withholding tax all in all on the gross proceeds, which doesn’t help you scale because it, so that is the biggest hurdle basically that it means that, but some, I know that there are ways around that.

Like you can, um, build an, is it an, a C corp? I can never remember which, just one of them is available for non US citizens. Yeah. Um, but so essentially just, just try to do deals anyway. Um, but that’s a little bit something where, oh, and, and little things. Oh no, little things, Ron, actually. Like, um, I forgot about that.

I’m really passionate. I’m like, cause this is one that, I don’t know. For example, listing on Craigslist. Gosh, my next best friend, chat, there, so many game changers have happened, like, LAN portal is one and chat GPT is the other. And notice that I say LAN portal before chat GPT. But chat, chat GPT, for example, Craigslist, I used to have the problem.

I can’t list the property because then they want a verification code and they do not accept open phone or Skype or any other, what is it called, voice over IP, um, technology. Okay. So it’s like, gosh, this is complicated. I need to order a SIM card from the USA because I don’t have a landline. But now there are actually, so running it through chat GPT, the simple, there are actually like landline providers for lack of a better word that you can use for free or where you can buy a number.

And that’s great work around. So it’s more the small stuff. Also money wise, like there’s a multi currency account called wise, which I can highly recommend, which technically is not even a bank account because. I couldn’t open a bank account in the USA because I don’t have a physical residence in the USA.

Um, and in the beginning when I opened that bank, and another hurdle that I have, unfortunately, why is in the beginning they issued, so I had like a business account for my LLC, and they issued business visa cards, right? So then, that’s great. Well, they renounced these business visa cards, so now I’m back to my personal Visa card which has a European address and sometimes that’s a little annoying depending on how you want to pay because you know, they’ll have like that drop down state thing and Well, I don’t have a state obviously so I figured out sometimes I can there’s a workaround that’s That I can’t that anyone that’s interested, please DM me But there are also actually for example um ClerkConnect, which is a county, like, when you want to pull deeds and you need to pay for it, I’ve, they actually have for other internationals.

So, Some of them have figured out that people might be using a non US visa card. Little things like that sometimes are just annoying. Cause then you, you know, try to do a transfer and stuff like that.

Ron A.: There’s no excuse for someone in the United States not being successful in this, with all this stuff, you have to, all the hoops, you have to jump through double taxation and all these different things that, uh, you need to do to be successful.

You 2025. Let’s get into that. You said you have some goals as far as doing some smaller deals. Um, is that so you can take title? Is that, let’s talk about 2025 a little bit. What’s your goals are for 2025? Not necessarily from a revenue standpoint or something like that. What are you trying to do in terms of the business?

What are you focusing on?

Susanne G.: Yeah. So that’s a good point. So in 2025, I’m trying to be more strategic, um, in the sense both in, yeah, in finding, carving out little niches. And, um, one of them is. mailing to smaller properties between one and three acres so that I can take title myself because I find that the more simply because it’s Yeah, well Because it costs less and then I will because the more I do transactions and also from from state to state The more I can figure out and gain expectees also with the tax implications and how it works.

So just kind of carve out You a little bit. Um, because I’ve, I’ve done, I think four deals now that I took title to myself, which is really not enough.

Anything about withholding tax. Um, I also want to use land portal to kind of stop like, um, in the past, I would always focus on a County. way you teach it. And now I want to kind of use the not kind of, I definitely want to focus on an area like let’s say North of Columbia, South Carolina, because you know that initially the first two years I just did business in South Carolina.

I focused on one state. Um, and unfortunately that state became very popular, which reflects in last year’s, um, turn over a little bit, um, but I can’t complain. Um, but anyway, so using the, um, polygon tool to basically, you know, just kind of outline the area and forget about the counties that I want to target.

I know that takes more work on the pricing end because you need to figure out how to do that effectively. Because I always do zip code pricing, right? I try to get a little, I like pricing, and I think that it’s one of my superpowers. So I like to get granular. But that’s something that I want to hone in on.

And, um, Yeah. And I also want to, um, currently I’m, I’m trying to build up another state. Um, so in the beginning, that’s kind of tough sometimes, or in my case, because you send out a bunch of mailers and you don’t, if like first county, I sent to, um, when I talked to the agents, they’re like, ah, this is a tough county.

And, and no, we didn’t get any deals because it just didn’t make sense. They would have been on the market too long. And, um, It was a non disclosure state. So I found that my superpower pricing and non disclosure states gets diluted a little because. Um, because the comps are all over the place too. So

Ron A.: that sounds exciting in terms of like where you’re headed.

And I, I think it’s going to be a huge year for you based on what you’re saying. You talked a little bit about earlier, like what land investing has done for you, like doing this for the last three years, what it has done for you, like giving you financial, um, and like the location freedom that you’re looking for.

Um, can you touch a little bit more on that and like, How can help other people too? Cause like I talked about all the time, like different people’s freedoms are different. Some people come in here and they just want to spend some time with their kids, a lot different, but just talk about what it’s done for you and what you think it can do for people.

Susanne G.: Totally. So, um, this is a, like, I would never have dreamed that I would be an entrepreneur, that I would have my own business. I just don’t come from a family where that’s been done in the last generation and where that was, um, encouraged. And, um, land and this land investing has given me the freedom to the freedom to be in charge and create and to, for that reason, just grow in confidence.

So in a way, I guess, let me describe it this way. When I, and for people who might have such as I had for just because of life, personal circumstances that are You know, more challenging, I don’t know, things that are ongoing or loss, death, you know, whatever, custody battles, stuff that life throws at you and that take their toll.

I used to always, um, in my W two B, I think like there was this underlying anxiety because when you’re dealing with Challenges like that on the private front and you have got a w 2 and challenges come to you in the w 2 You’re just not as stable, right? So there was always I was always in a more anxious person um and being doing land investing I I am in charge just has made has has Has made that anxiety go away so I I would say it’s freedom from anxiety because what i’ve also realized and this is thing, strangely enough, um, you create it at your own pace.

So you choose, like, the only person you’re competing with in the end is yourself. And with land investing, I have taken the freedom because of, um, So I have over the last year established a very healthy morning routine. Don’t laugh, which I never had in my W two. Um, because I never took the time for it.

And that involves, you know, where I take, like, an hour for faith and then an hour for health. So for the body, um, and that has also decluttered essentially or accelerated it. how I deal with the clutter on the private front. And so essentially, even if you don’t scale up so fast in the beginning, you know, measured by other people’s success, in the end you are because you’re preparing and decluttering things that you weren’t able to deal with in a W2 over the past years.

And, um, and I think once you, and the funny thing is like now it has, I’ve become. Very creative. Like, I will think of other things. I think, Oh, gosh, sometimes I think I’d like to be an entrepreneur and not to make money, but just for the fun of it. For example, um, start a business if I’m ever in a location long enough that is, or maybe just so to get paid for people to physically declutter, kind of like Marie Konday.

So all of these entrepreneurial ideas are also coming up. Um, and, um, And I’ve realized, and this is also a journey of personal growth, that, for example, I am not motivated by numbers. Like, if I tell myself, okay, I want to, I want to have, I don’t know, an income of X next year, it doesn’t really do anything for me.

So the, so this year, end of the year, and now during the, you know, going into the new year, I really want to sit down and become more clear on, okay. what’s, why have I not been scaling up and in order to scale up or when I scale up, what are the motivators behind the scaling up? I’ve got location freedom now.

I can still adapt, you know, go around and move around. I’ve got financial freedom. Um, and I’m free to create. And Oh yeah. And as someone who, And I just found this out as well. I, you know, I really am an introvert, as you can see. So, um, I don’t look directly in the camera and all that, but I really, really enjoy the relationships when I do talk to sellers.

Um, and that has been, and now for the first time, I recently listed a property, you know, where I’m dealing with the buyers. And I was like, Oh gosh, this is why have I not done this for so long? This is a lot after just talking to sellers for like two plus years. Once you’ve talked to sellers a bunch and you grow into that, okay, it’s still not, it’s still not my favorite thing to do in negotiating.

Right. But you find workarounds. Um, I just saw in the discord that somebody wrote, he just got a deal under contract just by email. I totally get that because for, for Introverts, that’s a very good way to do something. You stay factual. You’ve got time to think like But talking to people on the phone has been A growth journey for me and now when I had actual end buyers on the phone.

Um, I was like, this is easy Because I know my property um and uh, so I realized that it’s also freedom from You Freedom from fear in a way there’s a lot of fear and it’s just a mindset thing. Um, so my, that, you know, we’ve got, and sometimes you just need to do it afraid.

Ron A.: Yeah, that’s a, that’s awesome. I mean, your growth, like obviously we didn’t talk face to face or anything when a lot, when you first started or anything like that, just, uh, But your like certainty and who you are and what you’re growing like your growth is unbelievable in just three years of this Talk a little bit.

You said you had a failed partnership That came from kind of discord community, but talk a little bit about what the community has done for you. I know you’re in Uh, you talk with people who are doing this from europe as well. Obviously you’ve uh talked with Funders and people who are in the united states, but talk about the community what it’s done for you And then it’s how it’s kind of helped you grow

Susanne G.: Totally.

I mean, I think the biggest, the community over time is what makes it real. I think for me, one of the big hurdles, um, in changing my mindset to I can do this is it seems like it’s all virtual, especially when you’re not, when you’re like, not even on the same continent and in a different time zone, it’s, it’s kind of surreal.

Um, and other people won’t get it. Um, possibly. Um, the country that you’re living in. So the community is the game changer where you’re like, this really exists. There are other people that are doing this. Um, it’s, so it was primarily important for my mindset. Um, the accountability group is really, really important in the beginning, um, in the first year, not because of the accountability per se, but because of this, there are other people.

And also, there’s a psychological, a group is cohesive and it just reinforces, you know, when you do something like this, of course, there’s going to be challenges and you’re just talking to yourself the whole time and challenging yourself. So it kind of takes the pressure off. And obviously, it’s a sounding board.

So, you know, you’ve got other people that are experts that will, I mean, you and Daniel were always so quick to respond as, as is Anthony. Um, just, It’s like you are a team, even though it’s not a team, but it’s kind of, it’s as if everyone as it’s as if, you know, it’s the NFL league and we’re all in the NFL league and you kind of know each other.

And it also gives don’t be gullible. And I think you’ve said that as well. Um, I did run into one scammer. Um, you’re going to hate me for saying this, but, um, yeah. So, um, In the beginning, in the very beginning, um, if, and, and that’s usually, um, via private invite. So, um,

Ron A.: It happened. It happens for sure. It happens.

Yeah. And I want to put in perspective, guys, like Suzanne is, she is one of the first people ever in our community. Like I was just looking back on my phone. Like you are one of the first students. Um, you’ve stuck with it. Like you’ve had ups and downs, I’m sure, or I know you have had ups and downs for sure.

Um, but like, you’ve stuck to it and credit to you, like you weren’t a natural entrepreneur, but this has come, you’ve helped you, you’ve grown, uh, so much over the time. Um, As far as like, what, what’s your advice for people who might be looking in this business who might not be a natural entrepreneur, who might not be sales oriented, who might be lacking some of the skills that you need to really, really be successful in this business, but just people who are willing to learn, like, what’s your advice for someone who’s looking to get in this business and might be an introvert who might just kind of be the type of person that you are in terms of you’re an introvert, but you grew so much and you’re not the same person you were three years ago?

Yeah.

Susanne G.: Yeah, I would say focus on your strengths and be aware that there are a ton of introverts be aware I’d be conscious of the fact that there are a ton of introverts doing this and that at the end of the day this is a business model that I think the most important thing is that you are genuinely interested in looking at land and You know, talking about land and talking to people that do land.

If you’ve got that down, if you can be passionate about that and say this, you know, I like that. I like real estate per se. And I think this is interesting, you know, learning about land because you need to be passionate about what you do. Then you’ll figure it out because there’s so many different types of people doing this business, right?

I mean, just because someone is an extrovert doesn’t necessarily mean they have an advantage over you because. They might, you know, need someone or they might not be as good in strategy or in pricing or whatever. The, the, this business model is really, um, I don’t know how else to say it, low risk. And, um, and low risk translates into you have time to grow.

You have time to figure it out. Keep your own, I mean, I’m, I’m, I’m a low risk person, right? So you can, you can at your own fault, make it risky. Don’t do that guys. Like talk to the experts first. Don’t, I don’t know, take up a ton of debt and send out 20, 000 mailers on your first go not, or even with texting.

I don’t know. Um, but, but compared to any other business model, I mean, you don’t need to, Invest a ton and it’s a and at the same time and for me, I’m I think ethics are important. I mean, um In the beginning that was also a hurdle that I had where I was like, okay a cash offer, you know um It is also an ethical business model because you make it that right and you keep it that way by Also adhering to that ethical mindset.

Um so there’s really not it It takes a little bit of You Um, you might get lucky. Like there are great success stories of people who like Nick or I don’t know. Um, Gosh, I listened to the podcast with Adam. I think who like their first deals were just, or mailers were just killers, or you might need to be a little more patient.

Like I remember Shelby or, um, or it’s just a regular kind of thing. Um, but in the end you are going to have a positive net income that you could not have. Possibly imagined and you are in control of that and you can do it and you don’t need to, you know, you can, you’re in control of how fast you drive that car that you create.

Ron A.: Yeah. That’s a really good point. And, uh, yeah, there really isn’t a prototype or a type of person that is 100 percent successful in this business. Uh, you’re, you’re, I’m an introvert too. And like, I’m not like things drain me with like talking to sellers all day drains me talking to like that stuff is draining.

I know, you know how that feels, but as far as like, Um, there’s not a single prototype, a type of person like you’re an introvert who’s doing this from Europe, um, flipping land in the United States. Like that’s not a typical prototype of someone who’s going to be successful in this, but you’ve made it work and you’ve grown so, so much.

Um, other than that, uh, finishing off, do you have any, Other advice for anyone, like just in terms of this business model, um, anything like that? I know that’s what I kind of just asked. Um, but any other advice for someone looking to get into this? Like, is it, is it for anyone?

Susanne G.: I would say don’t underestimate the joy.

Cause I was just thinking of when you do this a certain time, you build up relationships with agents, investors. Sometimes like I’m still in contact with sellers. I just did one deal with, um, and that’s, that’s really valuable. So, um, My advice is to ask, um, and then just to kind of jump in. And if you don’t do it, but to take a decision, flip a coin or something.

And if the coin says no, because you couldn’t decide, then maybe, you know, pick it up again in six months and flip the coin again, but don’t keep it in limbo because anything that you keep in limbo is always an energy drainer. And so take a decision would be my advice.

Ron A.: That’s a good point. Um, yeah, like just being able to say no to a deal, being able to just, uh, cross that hard conversation you had off your list is really important.

Suzanne, I really appreciate you joining us. I know it’s late or getting late at night where you are, uh, in Europe. I appreciate you joining. If you guys haven’t already hit the subscribe button below. Um, if you guys are listening on Spotify or Apple, share this with a friend, leave us for review. It helps so much.

Suzanne, thank you so much. We’ll see you guys next time.

Susanne G.: Thanks.

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