He Quit Selling Houses for Land Flipping… Now He’s on Track for $300K!

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In this episode, we dive into the story of Nick Herzog, a driven entrepreneur who transitioned from real estate to land investing. Although he still works in real estate, Nick’s ultimate goal is to fully commit to land investing and leave traditional real estate behind. 

His journey began when he learned about land investing from a client, and after several ups and downs—including a scam on his first deal—he’s built a consistent and profitable business. 

Nick shares how he maintains his focus on sending mail, scaling his marketing, and how his virtual assistant handles much of the legwork, leaving him to focus on the big picture.

In this conversation, Nick reveals the power of consistency and simplicity in land investing. He talks about how sending mail regularly and keeping the process straightforward has allowed him to scale steadily. 

Despite dealing with the usual challenges of pricing and market conditions, Nick's approach has led to impressive results, including one of his biggest deals—buying for $25K and selling for $60K. 

He also discusses his future goals, including increasing his mail volume and eventually outsourcing more of his sales efforts. 

Tune in for an inspiring conversation about how focusing on the basics and staying consistent can lead to massive success in land investing!

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Ron A.: Hey everybody. Welcome back to the real estate investing podcast. I’m your host Ron Apke joined today by Nick Herzog. Nick’s been in the program almost a year. Nick, this spring, you’re getting close. I mean, it’s already getting close to spring, I guess. But almost been a year in this. Welcome to the show, Nick.

Yeah. Thanks

Nick H.: for all. Thanks for having me.

Ron A.: So let’s just get into like what, what got you to land investing? Are you an entrepreneur? What got you here?

Nick H.: Yeah. So I’m a full time real estate agent in Louisiana for the last 10 years. And so you know, funny story. I was getting ready to go to lunch on a Friday.

And a gentleman called me and was asking me about you know, some comps on some land for some clients that I sold. And so after a long phone conversation with him, you know, I said, what do you, you know, you need some help selling some land. And so he went into his story about how he’s a land investor in South Louisiana.

And and he kind of just, He kind of went into his story from there and then from there kind of went down a deep rabbit hole of YouTube, you know, like a lot of your students and found Apti, Aptiland and the rest is history.

Ron A.: So you so this is like last March last or late winter, early spring.

Nick H.: Yeah. Yeah. Probably last November. Yeah. 23th, November of 23 maybe. Yeah.

Ron A.: Got it, got it. And you, how was it when you first got it, got started in terms of did you hit the ground running? Was it a slow start? What did that look like in terms of getting, getting your, the education, education, marketing, everything like that?

Nick H.: Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, once I signed up for your guys’s program really just the step by step that you, the videos that you, you know, that you have step by step, Ron, I kind of went through it really quickly, probably through a weekend or maybe a week. And you know, the biggest thing was just getting me off the door.

So it’s definitely a fail forward business for sure.

Ron A.: Yeah, I mean, it’s a high volume, like you’ve done a ton of mail, which I love in terms of like your volume and it didn’t really slow down and you’ve been very successful from everything I’ve heard, but let’s just get into like, what did, what, how did those first mailers work?

Did you make mistakes? What, what did that look like?

Nick H.: Yeah. So obviously, you know, a lot of us, when we sign up for the program, we’re doing everything ourselves. Right. And so yeah, so I’m pricing it myself. I’m finding the counties myself. Yeah, there was a, definitely a lot of screw ups for sure. And I’m, you know, I guess that’s, you know, where you, you, you know, your reference numbers are double reference numbers.

You don’t know which property. And, and so so yeah, there’s a lot of, but man, I learned so much through the process. But really just, yeah. Just kept going. Right. I mean, that’s really kind of the story you and Dan always preach is just kind of look, just keep sending mail, keep going.

Ron A.: Yeah, that’s huge.

So when, when did you get your first deal? You joined in March. When did you get your first deal? Do you know?

Nick H.: First deal. First deal was probably. Probably April and there’s a really good story behind that one and go for it my first my first deal I got scammed and so I mean, I hate that, you know, I hate that kind of give a negative effect But yeah, a gentleman called me said he was so and so we went to the title and You know, that was that was kind of it but long story short We got our money back got title insurance everything worked out and you know, just kept moving forward

Ron A.: That’s a wild first deal how much money did it went out?

Nick H.: Yeah, it was a, it was a buy for 15 sell for 30. And so so yeah, so I mean, long story short you know, the guy, he stole a notary stamp. So when he was signing the documents himself, got the notary and it was a gentleman that got the piece of mail in his house and left with it. And so, yeah, kind of a crazy story, but yeah, that was my first land deal.

Ron A.: My goodness. That is insane. That is, I haven’t heard that one, stealing a notary stamp and wow, that’s wild. Did, did anything happen to him?

Nick H.: You know, I mean, obviously we, we filled out a police report, you know, and everyone’s involved, you know, we got the title back into the original owner’s name, which was great.

And so but no, I think as of right now, I mean, I think he’s still at large, I guess.

Ron A.: That’s 15, 000. I would think they would take that somewhat serious. Like that’s pretty, I mean, not the biggest fraud ever by, by any means, but it’s not nothing. And he’s got the money still.

Nick H.: Yeah, you know, and what the crazy part was, he, he wired like a Fidelity bank account to the title company.

So he had a legitimate bank account to wire the funds to. So, yeah, yeah. So kind of crazy, but but yeah, that was that was my first land deal. It’s a good

Ron A.: lesson for sure. I mean, that’s a lesson without a doubt. Like getting title insurance for one, there’s a lesson like being aware, like different things.

I’m not sure if it was avoidable or if like, what is there anything you looking back, like if you got something, something like that happened, was there anything sketchy that happened in that deal?

Nick H.: You know, I mean, it seemed pretty normal. It was my first deal. So I guess I really didn’t know what to really look for.

I mean, I’m a full time real estate agent, so I mean, I’m used to title and contracts and, you know, your basic real estate stuff. But you know, I think, I think looking back, just making sure the seller goes to a title company and signs, I think that’s really like the big thing. Unless instead of just having them go to a notary and signing, have them show their ID.

Right. And so that might, maybe that would have kept it from happening. Maybe not.

Ron A.: Wow. That’s crazy. Okay. So going from there, when was your first full cycle deal as far as like, when did you acquire the first deal that you actually ended up selling?

Nick H.: Yeah, I think I started acquiring probably in that a couple of deals probably in that May.

Ron A.: Okay.

Nick H.: In May, June ish. And then, and then, you know, a few of them sold in July. I think a couple of them, you guys funded the first few. And so, what did those first

Ron A.: deals look like?

Nick H.: Yeah, I think some one of them was maybe a buy for 16, sell for 40. Another one was probably,

Ron A.: you say that casually, that’s, that’s a good one.

Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know. Maybe watch all these videos,

Nick H.: all these YouTube videos and all your other costs, you know, these bigger deals, you know, I know I, I struggled with it, but no, it was great. I mean, it was, it’s, it was just. Textbook step by step what you guys teach and and it was great. Yeah, it was buy for 16, sell for 40.

Another one might’ve been buy for 13, sell for 30, you know, 35. It was kind of like you guys teach, you know, double it up.

Ron A.: Yeah. Mindset seems really like, as like strong, like it’s, you were sending mail, you went through a tough, I mean, as far as getting scammed, I’m sure there’s a stressful couple of weeks with that.

Like you’re 15, 000 out of like, Oh crap, this, I don’t own this property. Or like, like I got screwed. But as far as your mindset, you kept on sending mail, you stayed consistent. Can you talk a little bit on that? Like your mindset coming into the business? I know we’re kind of backing up a little bit, but your mindset to push forward, like what was it when you first got in?

Nick H.: Yeah, you know, like I said, I’ve been a realtor for 10 years. I’m also a part time real estate coach. And so, you know, I’ve grown my real estate business from 12 transactions to a couple of years ago when I had a large team, we were doing over a hundred, you know, and I have a real estate coach that helps me grow my business.

And so, and I think mindset’s always big on any business or really anything in life. Right. And so I’ve always just have a glass half full, you know, type of guy. And I think really any business venture, you’re going to have your struggles. You know, and so you guys always preach the mail, you know, you always preach, be consistent.

You guys always preach like the basics of the business. And so I really took that, you know, and Anthony called me one time a couple months ago, last year, and I was really worried. You know, my big thing was, Hey, Anthony, should I list these properties myself since I have the experience? Or should I find a local real estate agent?

You know, and I, his answer was just phenomenal. He said, he said, Nick, it really doesn’t matter. He said, the only thing that matters in this business is acquisitions. Getting properties under contract, closing on properties and getting them listed. So that’s really after that conversation with Anthony, all I really care about is acquisitions and getting properties in escrow.

Ron A.: I’m glad that clicked. That’s really cool to hear. And glad Anthony could help with that part. So going into like looking back at 2024 what did your deal, how many deals did you purchase in 2024?

Nick H.: I think we purchased probably around 20 plus. Oh, wow. And then we sold 10. I ended up selling 10 by the end of the year.

We just

Ron A.: closed on one today, or I guess I’m sending you money over today for a deal we funded. We closed a, I didn’t realize because these title companies that are from the stone ages, they’ve refused to wire things. Then they send me a check. My wife’s like, Hey, you have a 36, 000 check here. I’m like, Oh crap, I gotta, I gotta get that in.

And I had no clue we owed someone. And Amy keeps on messaging me. She’s like. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta you should have a check. I’m like, the check thing is wiring. I guess you avoid the fraud at our checks. You avoid the fraud thing for the most part. But a 20 plus deals. That’s awesome. What, let’s not necessarily talk about just profit numbers.

Cause you only, you sold 10 of them. Like what is like expected from those 20 deals? Profit.

Nick H.: Yeah. So I think right now active on the market, I’ve got 13. 13 deals active. So there’s probably around 300 gross profit probably in those deals. Minus, you know, just on the market. Yeah, just on the market. Yeah. With, with profit.

Of course, those are all, most of them are all funded. And so there’ll be splits with those, but and then we’ve got five in the escrow. That was probably another two to 300, 000. Oh, you’re busy.

Ron A.: Wow. Okay. And what about the 10 deals last year? What did, what did those add up to be?

Nick H.: Yeah, those add up to, yeah, I think gross, it was just a little over a hundred thousand.

So it was around twelve to thirteen thousand. And you started

Ron A.: in March, you used deal funding, like it’s not like, you had very little risk out. You utilized deal funding pretty much, pretty much for every deal?

Nick H.: Yeah, yeah, yeah, every deal pretty much, yeah. It was, you know, kind of like, you know, what you guys preach is, look, just send the mail.

You know, just, if you’re not doing marketing, then you’re not, you’re not doing deals. And so I really just try to focus all my money and capital. You know, on sending, you know, Dan, you know, in a couple of your guys podcast, you guys kind of preach five to 6, 000 mailers a month. And so that’s really kind of what I stuck with was trying to send out and be in here.

Another thing is what you preach around is like, be consistent. And that is the hard thing when you start getting busy in this business is try to be consistent because now if you’re a one man show, you’re, you know, you’re pricing, you’re, you’re answering the phone, you’re answering title issues, right? And so that’s when it became really kind of difficult in probably June or July, where deals started coming in on the acquisition side.

And I’ll be honest, I probably dropped the ball on some stuff.

Ron A.: Yeah, it’s not hard. It’s not hard when you first start and it doesn’t sound that crazy. It’s hard when you have so many things full cycle, like when you’re doing 20 deals in a month or you have. So for example, let’s just guys, let’s break down Nick’s business real fast as far as what’s going on right now.

And he also has to keep getting his marketing out. So he did 10 full cycle deals, 2024. But right now he’s got 13 deals for sale, whether he’s selling himself or with a realtor, there’s still work he needs to do. He’s got five in escrow to sell or to buy.

Nick H.: Okay. So you

Ron A.: got five to buy an escrow, then he has leads coming in.

He’s trying to close more deals on the buy side. He’s got a lot going on and this, this exactly, and I know Nick knows this is when it’s hard to stay consistent with mail. And that’s where there can be gaps in the business as far as okay, I didn’t send mail for three, four weeks. Not saying you can’t catch up, but it does affect and you see it from so many people.

Is there anything you’ve done? to improve. I’m not saying it’s a huge issue, but as far as improving consistency with mail, outsourcing something. So you have some more time.

Nick H.: Yeah. So first thing. So I always had a virtual assistant in my real estate business. And so the virtual assistant really started taking the phone calls from 24, seven reception, just like you teach, started inputting them on the air table, started putting the pictures, the map in the map, right.

Sort of giving me three comps from landstats. com and putting those on there. So now I can just get on to the CRM and evaluate the property, right? Hey, this is a flood zone. Unfortunately, this is not a good one. And then just recently, a couple of weeks ago, I hired another virtual assistant full time to really handle that acquisition side.

And handle the title companies. So now when a, now when one comes through and I approve it and we have two comps, we’ll send it to the virtual assistant. She’ll then go out to the local market and get two realtor opinions. Because as a funder, they, you know, a funder wants to see one or two realtor opinions on these deals.

Yeah. So then she kind of takes it from there and gives it the title and gets it approved.

Ron A.: So two virtual assistants, one’s helping you on the with your real estate business as well or no.

Nick H.: Yeah, yeah. She’s kind of, we’re kind of tailoring, you know, I’m kind of slowing down my real estate business because obviously I love the land business now.

And so we’re really trying to transition full time as much as I can into the land business in 2025.

Ron A.: Do you mind if I talk about your mail numbers a little bit?

Nick H.: Absolutely. Yeah.

Ron A.: Yeah. So guys, and that’s why I was, I was looking at Nick stuff here. So. So he had two, two month gaps in his mail, essentially eight, nine to 10, 18.

And then four, this is when he probably first started getting those deals for 22 to six, seven. He had that gap. And then recently 11, 11, a mailer went out 11, 22, a mailer went out 11, 29, a mailer went out 12, six, 12, 13, 12, 21, three, one, three, one, 10, one 17. And like that tells me right there, Nick, like 2025 is going to be amazing for you.

How have those, like, you’ve been extremely. Consistent with mail for the last six, eight weeks in terms of every week to two weeks, like you are getting mailers out. Are you seeing a good return on that in terms of just consistent leads? It seemed based on what you’re doing, you’re probably having leads almost every single day, right?

Nick H.: Oh, absolutely. It’s just kind of like you guys teach, you know, it’s just be consistent at the mail. And now that now the leads are like trickling in, right? So we’re, we’re averaging you know, maybe 1500 mailers a week. And so now the leads are starting to trickle in, but now, now my virtual assistant does that.

So I’ll go pick a County she’ll go on landstats. com and, and, and pull some data. She’s filling out this, you know, she’s filling out the Excel spreadsheet and she’s amazing at it and she loves it. Like, I hated it. I hated doing mail. I hated pricing. It’s challenging. I know, I know when you guys started, you did a lot of that, Ron.

And so and so how great is it to get that off your plate and have some, now really I’m just kind of reviewing it before it goes to the mailbox. You know, our prices and making sure we’re competitive with our prices.

Ron A.: Yeah. So that, I mean, that’s the reason you can be so consistent because you’re not doing everything yourself anymore, without a doubt.

And you’ve been so consistent, which is awesome to hear. Before we get back to the episode, hit the subscribe button below, turn on your notifications. If you haven’t already, we bring this content to help you guys become better land investors to have an amazing 20, 25 and land investing other than that, let’s get back to the episode.

Where do you think you’re kind of strong point in the business? Is it sales? It seems like you do sales, obviously with real estate, thing like that. Do you feel like that is like the last thing you want to outsource?

Nick H.: Yeah, obviously on the phone with clients and getting purchase agreement signs, probably that might strong suit.

But really, you know, I follow a guy named Dan Martell on YouTube, you know? I love Dan. Yeah. If you ever, I’m sure you’ve seen them. And so, I mean, he hit me like a brick the other day when I watched something, he said, do you want to take a business from a hundred thousand to a million? He said. Get yourself out of every part of the business besides the selling part.

And man, when I heard that the other day, that really kind of said, man, this land business can really be a business where, like you guys, you and Dan have grown so much, and how you guys are kind of working on the business, not in the business type of mentality.

Ron A.: And yeah, I remember seeing that short or real or whatever, wherever, whatever platform it was from Dan Martell.

And it’s true. Like some people try to outsource crazy stuff at first, like selling is so important, whether it’s selling whatever you’re selling, that is where money is made. And in this business, selling is really the acquisitions like that is. it’s not selling the land. That’s the easy part. In general, you can get realtors to do that, everything like that.

That’s fine. But like Anthony said, money is made on the acquisitions. You have 13 properties for sale. You know about what you’re going to make on that. Versus like, you don’t know what you’re going to make on whatever you don’t own yet. You know what I mean? So that’s the biggest thing. One thing I love seeing is like, It, you’ve been so like, this is what Dan and Ron teach.

This is what I’m doing. I’m like, you’re quoting things we’ve done. And so many people like look for like, okay, what’s new, what’s working. I talked to Daniel all the time. Like we got to update our course and we are doing a lot of work right now, updating some things. But the basics work. If you’re consistent with the basics, they work.

Can you touch a little bit on that?

Nick H.: Yeah, I mean, I think it’s the basics in anything in life, you know, I mean, I’m originally from Indiana. So I’m a big basketball guy. You’re from Ohio. And so I mean, right, we talked about sports, if you’re in sports, it’s all about the basics. And so I’ve always kind of used that in any life principle that I’ve kind of going.

So and you guys teach the basics, you guys, you know, we’ve all watched your videos 3000 times. But in every video, Ron, you and Dan preach the basics, right? Be consistent selling, you know, send in mail, be, you know, answer the phone, like, Transcribed Get a realtor to sell it. It’s just the basics of the business.

And so I feel like this business is just a great business. If you want to start and just do a little bit, right. Or if you want to scale up to millions of dollars a year, I think it’s, it’s, it’s possible.

Ron A.: One of our earliest coaching.

He’s probably started two years ago and he’s just like, I couldn’t convince him for the life of me to do texting. Like even if I could, whatever. And he’s like, no, I’m just going to keep, I’ll just send more mail. That’s what he said every time. Like I would just send more mail. And it seems like you’re very like on that and he is hit.

He hasn’t. Unbelievable business. Probably most probably 000 a month in profit in this business. I would think. And he’s just been unbelievable. Like if he wants to scale up, scale up with mail because there’s less calls. It’s not a whole new operation. Like when you’re trying to grow your business, you have two options.

You add something new, which is difficult. And there’s learning processes or scale up grow. Like if I want to. Grow land investing online. It’s either, okay, add some new funnels. That’s more work than just increasing my current ad spend. And that’s what you’ve done. Like you’re just increasing your ad spend, you know how to grow.

It’s increasing your ad spend which is your marketing essentially. Right?

Nick H.: Yeah. Keep it simple. I’m all about keep it simple and you, you kinda hit the nail on the head. It’s like. There’s all these shiny objects in the land now, right? Cold calling, text messaging, email marketing, you know, and so I really just want to kind of keep it simple.

I know mail works, and so why not scale that as much as I can? And then from there, maybe, you know, maybe a certain point. Maybe we have a virtual assistant that just does text for us or email marketing. So,

Ron A.: yeah, that makes a ton of sense. Have you tried, you haven’t tried any other, I’m not trying to convince you by any means.

You haven’t tried anything else, right? No, but

Nick H.: you know, the guy, the guy that I originally talked to who, who, you know, got kind of got me in the land. That’s what he did. He sent so many text messages a week. And and really he was double closing everything after I got to talk to him. Yeah. What

Ron A.: about any, like any other projects in 2025 you’re targeting?

If they come up, they come up. Like that’s what I. A lot of people. And I think someone like you and your position, like, okay, if a project comes up, a project comes up, like if a subdivide comes up, is that kind of the way you’re looking at the business?

Nick H.: Yeah. I mean, obviously from all your guys interviews, everything, everyone wants bigger deals, right?

We all want bigger deals. We all, we all want to grow and I want to, I want to do that too. And so and really what I like about the bigger deals is that they’re just more margins. There’s more room for error, right? You know, when you buy for 15, sell for 30 and you got to lower the price a little bit.

You know then there’s not much room for margins, right? And so yeah, so it just makes sense to scale and I think it this is such a blue ocean approach on the land Even with all the people getting into the space. There’s so much opportunity there to do subdivides entitlements, whatever you want to niche

Ron A.: Mm hmm.

I was talking to one of my college buddies yesterday and he was like asking me about land And I’m not like I’m not trying to sell anybody on the whole thing Like I’ll tell you the truth and like just very just like unsure, like, okay, it’s more competitive than everything is more competitive. You’re like, it’s something that has so much opportunity is going to bring in more people.

And that’s what I still view land as like, it’s still so appealing. So many people are still coming in the business. People like you don’t give a crap about people who are coming in the business. Cause you’re going to do your own business. You’re going to make things work your own way. And I think just the mindset of like, yeah, I just, you’ll adjust with the times.

I give mail stops and you’ll, you’ll analyze your numbers. I’m sure like you care about, Or as long as you’re making money, you’re making money. Do you care about like the ROI and all this stuff? Cause some people get so into like, okay, these 2, 500 mailers didn’t get a deal versus like, okay, the last 2, 500 mailers got three deals.

Nick H.: Yeah, no, you, I think, you know, obviously at first when you first start, you want to deal from every mailer, right? You got money going out and you’re like, oh my gosh, you know, but but the numbers just work out over time. Right. And so whether it’s, you know, I guess the number one question you probably get asked is, well, how many mailers to a deal?

Right. And so, you know, so one, one county might get zero, the next county you might get four deals from. Right. And that’s what I’m kind of seeing, but at the end of the, at the end of the year, right. It all, it all averages out. Yeah.

Ron A.: You’re making money, like that’s at the end of the year if you’re doing it consistently, you’re making money.

I don’t know 100 percent that is a common question we get and there are so many variables that go to it Are you targeting desert squares because you’re gonna get a lot more maybe a deal for every 100 200 properties versus you’re going for 100, 000 200, 000 deals like yeah, maybe it’s a little fewer and farther between but you don’t need to you can spend 30, 000 to get a deal and if you can make 200, 000 on it It makes sense every day of the week.

And I think that’s people’s, I think that’s what people struggle to understand. Like how much does a normal business spend on marketing to make 200, 000, probably a whole lot more than 30, 000 of marketing spend. So it’s just the, I think it’s a mindset from it. I think people look at it like a side hustle or like it’s just easier, stuff like that.

It does take time. And I think the biggest thing that you have an advantage on is your mindset to just like. Understand that because it’s a lot easier said than done. And a lot of people really struggle. Like I just spent 2, 000 on mail. I didn’t get a deal. I don’t know what to do. Like send the next one.

That’s the solution, right?

Nick H.: Yeah, absolutely. And you talked about competition a couple of minutes ago. And look, I’m a real estate agent. There’s 1. 4 million realtors in America. Okay. There’s, there’s actually less houses and there are vacant properties. So tell me about competition, right? I’m pretty sure there’s probably not 1.

4 million land

Ron A.: investors. Wow. 1. 4 million realtors. Yeah. I didn’t know that number. I knew there’s way more realtors than a deal and the biggest realtors make really good money or even like the average make really good money. And the bottom people do no deals, essentially like that’s what it’s probably the

Nick H.: same in land, right?

80, 20, right? You got 80 land investors, you know, doing the, you

Ron A.: And like comparing it to other businesses, land investing, like there’s the opportunity here. And that’s why I was talking to my buddy on the phone with like, you put five, 7, 000 into any other business. It’s going to get you nothing. You put five, 7, 000 into this business.

Like it can change your life. And that’s like the biggest thing. Like you’re, are you trying to train, get away from being an agent? Or is that just like when deals come up, they come. Okay. You are.

Nick H.: Yeah. Yeah. I’m trying to slowly transition out to the land for sure. And so yeah, it’s crazy. Cause you know, if I sent 10, 000 postcards to neighborhoods and my local for a listing, right.

I might get one, maybe I might have to send 50, 000 to get one or two listings in mail. I could send maybe 3000 in a return on investment. It’s so great that it’s just, it’s really kind of unbelievable, but you know, it works.

Ron A.: Yeah, that’s awesome. You’re a good advocate for it for sure. And it’s just like, you just been consistent.

Like that’s the only thing guys, Nick hasn’t done anything that anyone out there can’t do. A lot of people can’t do it, unfortunately they just can’t be consistent with the business or it just like they get, get too into the numbers. What 2025 goals in this business? So let’s get to 2025 and a little bit of future goals.

Nick H.: Yeah. So 2025 really it’s, it’s just be consistent. Yeah. And, and, and increase my mail volume, like keep it simple. And if I can, I would love to find a salesperson to kind of take me out of the sales role. If I can do that, if it’s possible and how I do that it is a big question mark right now, but just be consistent and trying to get my mail up to probably 10, 000, you know, by March or April.

What do

Ron A.: you project like that’s going to

Nick H.: bring profit wise in 2025? Josh, I mean, it’s, you know, it’s really hard to tell. I mean, I, you know, I’m shooting for 500, 000. That’s a good goal for me. I kind of got, kind of went through chat GPT and kind of filled out my goals a little bit. And so so yeah, so I think if I can stay consistent, I think, I think half a million, you know, average profit 15, 20 grand was probably a good.

Ron A.: Yeah. If you have any, if you have any big deals in there, like what was your biggest profit deal in 2024? Like biggest profit deal to date?

Nick H.: Yeah, it’s probably, it was probably a buy for buy for 25 sell for 60. You, you

Ron A.: add one or two big deals, not even huge. Just like add an 80, a couple of those, that 500, 000.

I think you’ll fly past that 500, 000 mark. If you keep up like your last six weeks of consistency, that’s why you’re buying four properties right now. Five properties in escrow right now. Your last five, six weeks of consistency is why you’re getting the results quarter one. A lot of people. Start their goals, put their goals in January 1st or something like that.

You’re behind, you’re not behind because like you started being like very, very consistent middle of November and you’ve got a ton of mail out the door. So yeah, I think the next steps for you are really just increasing that mail volume, whether it turns to 2000 a week, 2, 500 a week. I think that’s when like, cause you know how to handle the business on the backside.

And then anything for disposition, like having 13 for sale this early in your land career is. incredible. It’s awesome. But are they, are they selling slower than you would like? Are you, are you care about that? Cause you have deal funding. What does that look like?

Nick H.: Yeah. So some of them obviously have stood on the market a little bit longer.

And so I’ve learned a lot about some of these. And of course, some of these were some that I listed myself on, you know, on. flat fee brokerages. So I learned on my left, Hey, as I scale, I probably need to outsource that to a local, to a local expert, you know, in that, in that area. So yeah, some say, I think some settle a little bit longer, some so quickly, as you probably know, but I think on the air table, I think my average day is around 87 to 90 days.

You know, what are your

Ron A.: what are your thoughts on the real estate market in 2025? As a

Nick H.: whole, I mean, as a whole, I think it’s market to market. You know, I really, I mean, just like what’s going to happen in Louisiana is going to be different. What happens in Dallas or Columbus, Ohio? And so I think if you’re in a top metropolitan area, you’re probably going to see some, some dips in the market.

But look, you know, look, we were such a high two, three years ago. You know, it’s kind of the old saying, what comes up must come down, you know, a little bit. But you know, is it going to crash and all that crazy stuff you see on, on social media? No, I don’t think so.

Ron A.: I think 90 days, days on market for your properties is very healthy.

I think it’s very, like two or three years ago when I was selling land, like I couldn’t list it high enough, like legitimately, like I couldn’t price my land high enough. The land could, I don’t care how bad the land is. Some of the bad land that we sold is like, Oh my gosh. And these people are paying like the market value above market value for defected land.

Like they were calling and blowing my phone up so much. It’s not the same. And that makes it. That makes the buy side better without a doubt. And then there’s, it’s a little more skill to selling. Like you gotta be maybe sometimes creative with selling neighbor letters, whatever it is. Let’s go to any advice for people first starting.

I think you are a like picture perfect case for someone’s first year. Like you’ve made good money. You’ve been consistent with the business. Like have there been ups and downs? Absolutely. You got scammed on your first deal. It would have been really easy to quit after that. But any advice for someone looking to get into this business?

Nick H.: Yeah, just pick, pick one lead source, pick one marketing channel that you want to, that you want to you know, attack in 2025 and just be consistent at it. Whether it’s sending 500 text messages or 500 mailers, just be consistent and do it for 12 months out of the year and you’ll be successful and you’ll, you’ll get deals.

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